Veteran: Best Melee/Ranged weapon for clearing hordes?

[Ninja Tuna]

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[Ishan451]

Origineel geplaatst door Ninja Tuna:

Veteran: Best Melee/Ranged weapon for clearing hordes?

As Veteran, your job on the team is not to clear hordes. You are supposed to deal with the enemies your special highlights. It is why you get a Cameo Talent, to give you the breathing room to deal with Specials, like Bombers in the back of the horde.

All that being said... your ranged options are Plasma Gun and Infantry Autoguns (the heavy (ochre) autogun, the Agripiniaa Autogun, is actually a good compromise between murdering Horde and dealing with your actual job as Veteran). The Helbore can work, as it cleaves through a few people, but its firing rate is to low to be effective. Bolter can work, but the lack of ammunition makes it ineffective in horde sections.

For melee options you have the Antax Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum, Devil Claw Sword, the Shovel and the Power Sword. None of these are really good at clearing hordes. The Power Sword can be okay if you get the Power Cycler Blessing, but it will be a subpar choice for what you should bring a Melee weapon.. which is to dispatch a few stragglers or a single enemy on which you don't want to waste your ammunition. Tactical and Combat Axes do a much better job over all, as they do not need to be "ignited". Shovel is also a valid option due to the extremely high stagger the shovel's stab does. A single hit will force a Crusher to stumble and two Vets can actually cause it to fall over (it will be out of reach and recovered before you can reach it again).

All that being said again... if you want to deal with Hordes, play Zealot. You'll get all the Veteran "horde" options, plus actually good anti-horde melee and ranged in form of Flamer, Heavy Sword and the like.

[Eidrog]

Agripina Braced Autogun + Power Sword. The hordes won't know what hit 'em! : )

[omar_uav]

Bolter.

A bolter is equally effective vs hordes & specials.

when getting overrun in melee, dodge backward, switch to bolter, dodge 1-2. shot 3-4 bursts, you got yourself enough room to breathe a bit.


aim and 1 tap vs hordes, pretty good weapon.

[Eidrog]

If you can get used to how few bullets a bolter has, then yes, they are good. But I can never get over how often, and how slowly they need to reload. X )

[Triggerhappy]

People might say recon lasgun for hordes, but then you lose out on damage to most anything else. The agripinna braced auto however can do everything except damage carapace armor, which is really only on the ogryns and one other elite that you should just shoot at the body anyways.

That said, imo the vet is best used to take care of the ranged bastards shooting at your team while they melee everything. Braced auto can be good for that too, but my preference is the helbore mkiii because it can hurt everything it touches, no worry about armor types. Basically no hordeclear on that one though.

[{SoR} Blackfire1]

Bolter.
Melee? More Bolter.
Out of Ammo? Chain-axe. 1 hit kill per strike and quick animation. Chain attack = No more shields on bosses.

[Snobby Hobo]

If your goal is to look for min-maxing then Power-sword is without any shred of question your best melee weapon. It's not even remotely close either.

Again if you only care to min-max your best ranged weapon is the XII - but it does have very noticable weaknesses (Carapace in particular). The XII has absurdly good ammo economy and deals enough damage to hit the breakpoints on almost all specialists with 1 or 2 hits. Pinpoint accuracy at any range.

[Saltgrind3r]

Origineel geplaatst door 357 Magnum Ace:

IMO ranged horde clear of anything besides ranged enemies is a waste of time, ammo, and not really your job. Do it for fun, sure, but your priority as a vet is to handle ranged mooks, ranged specials, and melee specials. Your gun should be chosen that best lets you do that job and your melee kept for horde clear.

Could I petition you to spread this message to roughly 3/4 of the sharpshooters I get stuck playing with. Thanks in advance.

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Origineel geplaatst door Saltgrind3r:

Origineel geplaatst door 357 Magnum Ace:

IMO ranged horde clear of anything besides ranged enemies is a waste of time, ammo, and not really your job. Do it for fun, sure, but your priority as a vet is to handle ranged mooks, ranged specials, and melee specials. Your gun should be chosen that best lets you do that job and your melee kept for horde clear.

Could I petition you to spread this message to roughly 3/4 of the sharpshooters I get stuck playing with. Thanks in advance.

Yep, I use the Shovel not because I dislike the Powersword, but it has the best dodge/block to DMG/stagger ratio and I use the Helbore Mk II with the Onslaught and Hot-Shot Perks. I think its the best combo for me. Fully charged Headshot does 1320 DMG on a Reaper and after the 3rd shot the charge up is as fast as the normal uncharged singel shot. Headshot hits penetrate enemies and hit a second or if I am very lucky a third enemy. I can delete entire special hordes within seconds and I can out DPS every Bolter Vet.

[BIG E.]

Power sword.

And don't shoot hordes.

[ArterialSpray1066]

The blue recon las wastes ammo and melts hoards (not that any recon doesn't), but youre better off saving the ranged slot for something else and just using the power sword for the chaff. Once you get the hang of the rhythm down its almost boring because it just bisects absolutely everything.

1: Step backwards and activate the power sword.
2. step forward and unleash 2-3 attacks (opening with a heavy).
3. return to step 1.

TBH even nerfed its too good.

If you really want to shoot hoards (dont make a habit of it on higher difficulty levels) the shredder and braced autoguns work fine.
Personally on lower difficulties i enjoy the brown recon las as it does enough damage per shot to make headshots worth it, and to pick off specialists, while still being able to just go full auto and melt stuff without wasting so much ammo you become the teams resident blackhole. lol.

[assarhadon]

Agrippina mk8 is your choice, clear everything, hordes, elites, ranged mobs.

[Tjoma]

Bolter (Pinning Fire & Rending) + Power Sword (Slaughterer & Power Cycler)

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[Saltgrind3r]

Origineel geplaatst door ==Alduran==:

Origineel geplaatst door Saltgrind3r:

Could I petition you to spread this message to roughly 3/4 of the sharpshooters I get stuck playing with. Thanks in advance.

Yep, I use the Shovel not because I dislike the Powersword, but it has the best dodge/block to DMG/stagger ratio and I use the Helbore Mk II with the Onslaught and Hot-Shot Perks. I think its the best combo for me. Fully charged Headshot does 1320 DMG on a Reaper and after the 3rd shot the charge up is as fast as the normal uncharged singel shot. Headshot hits penetrate enemies and hit a second or if I am very lucky a third enemy. I can delete entire special hordes within seconds and I can out DPS every Bolter Vet.

Yeah, while this means that I and the rest of the team have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up watching a Power Sword vet trying (keyword: trying; success here is very rare) to clutch very much highlights the limitations of both the weapon and the class overall from a mobility perspective.