Game is not very LORE accurate for Imperial Guards.

[Amogus]

I am not expecting the game to be lore accurate but need to be closer right? you have 4 regular troopers, 4 penal troopers at that soloing hordes upon hordes of chaos forces, putting space marine to shame, if this is the power level of low teir trash troopers that is lower than a white shield conscript, one must wondering how the ♥♥♥♥ imperium is even losing anything.

what this game should have been is a space marine game, the guard is renowed for it's numbers, and armored corps, and if this is a guard missions, they need to be at least augmented super human of stormtroopers not penal troopers, send with 1 or 2 company wroth of guardsmen, supported by heavy weapon team like several auto cannons, heavy bolter machine guns, plasma, melta and flamer weapon specialists, 1 or 2 chirmra a sentinel or 2 maybe even a lemon russ tank.

and no i won't take edge case like sly marble or any other books with special characters, we are talking about COMMON guards men here. if you can't accept other races as playable how can you possibly accept this game is any thing close to how the guard POV is!?

[skavenstomper58]

The lore is full of normal, unaugmented human guardsmen killing hordes of poxwalkers, cultists etc. Astartes would be too powerful for anything but monstrosities to be any threat to them. Space Marine 2 will be out at some point, better to look forward to that than demand they put astartes in this game.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by skavenstomper58:

The lore is full of normal, unaugmented human guardsmen killing hordes of poxwalkers, cultists etc. Astartes would be too powerful for anything but monstrosities to be any threat to them. Space Marine 2 will be out at some point, better to look forward to that than demand they put astartes in this game.

You are talking about edge cases guardsmen causality are usually really high and it is an army so most of the time it fight with tanks and arty. This is even the case on the table top. Your single guardsmen of 7 to 12 soldier can't really beat anything without an armored vehicle, this is a well known fact about the guard!!! but in this game 4 penal troops can do so much.. there is no way you can pull this off on the table top and in lore for most guardsmen.

[Spooky]

its a game, who cares

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Spooky:

its a game, who cares

So why no space marine? It's a game dood.

[Warlord]

Originally posted by Spooky:

its a game, who cares

/end thread

[Spooky]

Originally posted by WAFFLE:

Originally posted by Spooky:

its a game, who cares

So why no space marine? It's a game dood.

go play space hulk deathwing then

[357 Magnum Ace]

No this is lore accurate, you just need to view the acolytes in the same way as named heroes of the novels.

[Tz07]

is it lore accurate that a human, elf, dwarf, another human, and another human witch would be able to kill thousands of rats while also killing chaos spawn and chaos warriors and other big giant things?

[DLCI]

you get chosen by the inquisitor precisely because you are not a normal, average imperial guardsman

it is not accurate to assume you are a "typical" rank-and-file trooper any more than it is accurate to say that colonel schaeffer's last chancer's are just 12 random prisoners force to blow stuff up together

all of the rejects are far above what one would expect from the 'average' psyker, ogryn, fanatic, or imperial guard veteran

you might be 'only human', just some unlucky sob who pissed the wrong people off, not some genetically enhanced superhuman space marine, but the inquisition is only giving you the chance to prove yourself when they discover that you are an extremely skilled and exceptional individual

ie someone who is far more valuable alive than promptly executed just because you don't matter and you "might be a heretic"

if you were just a random average nobody prisoner after you help zola in the tutorial, you probably would have been shipped back to prison or even executed on the spot (just in case, you understand)

an inquisitor's warband, and especially the inquisitorial retinue squad itself, ranks among the top 5 most elite "regular human" soldiers in the entire galaxy right up there with the tempestus scions and the sisters of battle

[The Dess 2023 GOTY Edition]

The game is designed for fun first and then slotted as closely as possible into the lore. We already have space marine games, go play those instead then.

[capybaras are cool]

Originally posted by WAFFLE:

I am not expecting the game to be lore accurate but need to be closer right? you have 4 regular troopers, 4 penal troopers at that soloing hordes upon hordes of chaos forces, putting space marine to shame, if this is the power level of low teir trash troopers that is lower than a white shield conscript, one must wondering how the ♥♥♥♥ imperium is even losing anything.

what this game should have been is a space marine game, the guard is renowed for it's numbers, and armored corps, and if this is a guard missions, they need to be at least augmented super human of stormtroopers not penal troopers, send with 1 or 2 company wroth of guardsmen, supported by heavy weapon team like several auto cannons, heavy bolter machine guns, plasma, melta and flamer weapon specialists, 1 or 2 chirmra a sentinel or 2 maybe even a lemon russ tank.

and no i won't take edge case like sly marble or any other books with special characters, we are talking about COMMON guards men here. if you can't accept other races as playable how can you possibly accept this game is any thing close to how the guard POV is!?

common guardsmen do badass ♥♥♥♥ all the time. the stuff that the player characters do in dt is unlikely but not impossible. in warhammer normal people can become superhuman if theyre badass enough. i think you dont know as much about lore as you think.

[capybaras are cool]

op seems like the sort of person to whine about dt characters using bolters cuz 'bolters are too strong for a human to use!' when theyre also standard wargear options for guard ncos.

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

Someone complains about lore while not understanding what a generic vanilla inquisitional conscript killteam is.

[BeelzebubSips]

Originally posted by WAFFLE:

Originally posted by Spooky:

its a game, who cares

So why no space marine? It's a game dood.

Because space marines are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring /thread

[Amogus]

Originally posted by capybaras are cool:

common guardsmen do badass ♥♥♥♥ all the time. the stuff that the player characters do in dt is unlikely but not impossible. in warhammer normal people can become superhuman if theyre badass enough. i think you dont know as much about lore as you think.

how nice of you to charry pick named heroes or exceptional cases in the guards GW very clearly made how the guards fight, they take heavy casualties on infantry, and they are a meet shield, and when the guards are effective is when they are MASSED, 20 to 30 las guns firing on same targets or group of targets, they relying mostly on tanks and arty for breakthrough and defense, the individual hero stuffs are rare exceptions and not the norms