Veteran is so OP

[Cosmophase]

So OP that there are no videos on youtube showing us carrying people through damnation - sure is a lot of Zealot videos though! Veteran is OP though so please nerf

[Sin]

as with every game: People comment based on their perception.

If you see Veterans on the first 3 Difficulties you will quickly think they are the most broken class ever invented in the history of videogames.
In order to realize that non of the classes plays quite like they do on those 3 difficulties once you go to 4s or 5s you would actually have to play them and many people don't want to stress themselfs out, are still leveling or want to grind some gear before kicking it up a notch after getting slaughtered by high intensity 3s ...
You talking down on people because your frame of reference is: 1 2 and 3 don't exist, it's damnation only baby!! - yeah ..your world is different than theirs... who ..would..have..thought. A mystery to all.

Crap talking aside:
Seriously, get that difference into your head, into everyones head. Most gameing discussions are littered with screetching, virtiol and fights over the balance or imbalance of things, just because people are completly unable to realize that different difficulties (or skill brackets) deliver a significant difference in gameplay. What is hillariously broken at the bottom might be completly unviable at the top and vice versa. That's the nature of games with some mechanical and skill based depth.

[Cosmophase]

Originally posted by Sin:

as with every game: People comment based on their perception.

If you see Veterans on the first 3 Difficulties you will quickly think they are the most broken class ever invented in the history of videogames.
In order to realize that non of the classes plays quite like they do on those 3 difficulties once you go to 4s or 5s you would actually have to play them and many people don't want to stress themselfs out, are still leveling or want to grind some gear before kicking it up a notch after getting slaughtered by high intensity 3s ...
You talking down on people because your frame of reference is: 1 2 and 3 don't exist, it's damnation only baby!! - yeah ..your world is different than theirs... who ..would..have..thought. A mystery to all.

Crap talking aside:
Seriously, get that difference into your head, into everyones head. Most gameing discussions are littered with screetching, virtiol and fights over the balance or imbalance of things, just because people are completly unable to realize that different difficulties (or skill brackets) deliver a significant difference in gameplay. What is hillariously broken at the bottom might be completly unviable at the top and vice versa. That's the nature of games with some mechanical and skill based depth.

Exactly why I made this post. All the scrubs screaming to nerf veteran obviously spend all their time in Malice and low intensity Heresy. They join a game to get destroyed by a random horde or elite then see a veteran pop their special and kill 6 elites from a distance - their first thought is OMG I CAN'T DO THAT, HE IS SO OP TIME TO GO CRY ON THE FORUM.

[Sen Tenshi]

Shhhhhhh, don't wake them up. Few days without "NERF POWER SWORD" so far. :D
Maybe they noticed the PS mobility is crap ? maybe it's too early for people to notice yet.

"Awwww he can kill more Pox Walker in a single swing than me ! So broken."

"Oh look i can 360 chain stagger every elite in the game with my crusher but surely it's bad..."

[Cosmophase]

Where are all the people that normally cry about veteran?? You all asleep or what?

[Narky]

Just average players complaining about roles they seldom have more than a simple breadth of understanding over. Of course they will complain, hyperbole, or strain issues that aren't really there.

For a while people thought Psyker was useless. It was just the players being bad at the role, or not understanding it at all.

[Blackfrost]

From Wikipedia's article on the Kübler-Ross model:
"The first reaction is denial. In this stage, individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality."

[Cosmophase]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

From Wikipedia's article on the Kübler-Ross model:
"The first reaction is denial. In this stage, individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality."

Damn that's exactly how I feel about a certain jab and Myocarditis..

[Strider_9000]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

From Wikipedia's article on the Kübler-Ross model:
"The first reaction is denial. In this stage, individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality."

I don't know what Kubler-Ross models are, but I feel the same way about my Warhammer models when my paint job sucks...

[M4N]

Veteran is the only one class that is fully finished and properly designed, thats why he feels "OP". Next closest is Zealot.

[J.D.]

Originally posted by Hans Linger:

Veteran is the only one class that is fully finished and properly designed, thats why he feels "OP". Next closest is Zealot.

Logical.
Remember 1st trailer? There were only 4 guardsman... more development time invested - better result.

[Shoeboogie]

Is soloing the only gauge of power? Can zealot chain its ult for over a minute? Dumb thread.

[Vindred]

So the purpose of this thread is to pre-argue the case that the vet is not OP just in case someone should think to suggest as much?

I'm curious what happened to motivate you so, because it seems weird for you to just be randomly overcome with an intense aggression for hypothetical critics.

Edit: I'm kidding btw. I am actually curious if something happened, though.

[Cosmophase]

Originally posted by Shoeboogie:

Is soloing the only gauge of power? Can zealot chain its ult for over a minute? Dumb thread.

You obviously don't know what overpowered means if you think a veteran keeping his ult up is anything close to that.

[Cosmophase]

Originally posted by Vindred:

So the purpose of this thread is to pre-argue the case that the vet is not OP just in case someone should think to suggest as much?

I'm curious what happened to motivate you so, because it seems weird for you to just be randomly overcome with an intense aggression for hypothetical critics.

Edit: I'm kidding btw. I am actually curious if something happened, though.

The purpose of this thread is to prove people like you that because one class excels at SHARPSHOOTING better than others, it doesn't mean he is OP or needs to be nerfed. What is overpowered though is one class being able to solo/carry the hardest difficulty in the game.

[ZERO]

Originally posted by Shoeboogie:

Is soloing the only gauge of power? Can zealot chain its ult for over a minute? Dumb thread.

He can keep his ultimate up for over a minute because his role is to deal with enemies that shoot and specials. It makes him useful, not overpowered.

As for lower difficulties so few enemies get thrown at you its easy to keep everything back with ranged fire most times.