Best Autogun for vet?

[Doctor Hazmat]

There's like 20 versions of autoguns, but what's the generally concieved "good" autogun?

I use the kantrael mk 12 and is there an autogun that acts similar to that?

[ToucanSafari]

Agripina mk1 is the one you'd want to use if you absolutely have to use an autogun as the alternatives are absolutely abysmal.
You might find the braced autogun (agripina v8) to be more effective though.
No comment on the HH autoguns, as I find those all to be extremely underwhelming.

[Doctor Hazmat]

Originally posted by No_Title:

Agripina mk1 is the one you'd want to use if you absolutely have to use an autogun as the alternatives are absolutely abysmal.
You might find the braced autogun (agripina v8) to be more effective though.
No comment on the HH autoguns, as I find those all to be extremely underwhelming.

Thanks man. I've heard the HH are just garbage from many different people

[ToucanSafari]

Originally posted by Doctor Hazmat:

Thanks man. I've heard the HH are just garbage from many different people

They're all pretty bad. They suffer extreme penalties when dealing with unyielding and maniac enemies which are your primary responsibility as the veteran on higher difficulty levels.

[derp face]

mk8 braced

[EastCLiff]

Agripina mk1 with deadshot feat. - Absolutely THE best pick for vet, even better than kantrael 12.
Vraks HH 7 - Good for killing gunners at long range. It's slightly better than kantrael 12 at long range.
Agripina braced - Good for assault and close combat. Have good knock back and dps.

[Hieronymous]

The braced gun is fun for other characters, I use it for my zealot sometimes. not sure why a vet would want it, managing ammo would be rough, and the range isn't long enough if your job is specials at range.

I agree that the HH rifle's lack of armor penetration makes it a bad choice.

[ToucanSafari]

Originally posted by EastCLiff:

Absolutely Agripina mk1 with deadshot feat. - THE best pick for vet, even better than kantrael 12.
Vraks HH 7 - Good for killing gunners at long range. It's slightly better than kantrael 12 at long range.
Agripina braced - Good for assault and close combat. Have good knock back and dps.

I'm curious what your explanation for the HH7 is. Does it have an innate feature I'm unaware of? Been messing around in the meatgrinder and was underwhelmed by it. Is there a blessing it needs in order to "click"?

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

k12 + other kantraels kinda limit out at 400-500 dps (shooting shieldogryn in the back)

some braced autogun goes well above 1.4k dps.

when it comes to those 2 boss-missions, ranged dmg seems heavily reduced when shooting the shield, so that sweet dps might not mean anything.
for the demonhost you´re really going to miss hard if it´s not currently draining someone.
for slug + plagueogryn it would be decent but that´s like 1% of the mission, even if you get 3 spawns during 1 mission.

that said, vets job is do decimate gunners & specials quick + efficient and the k12 is accurate, has good ammo and sits well with its damage-breakpoints. it´s slow enough to sit on target with constant-fire and slow enough to easily go from target to target. also it´s unnecessary to use reload talents that are required for the bolter + plasma.

that all said, besides shooting a shield-ogryn in the back and maybe running 5 missions on diff 3 and about 5 on diff 1 (25 mission weekly lel), i didnt touch them that much. still, being that inaccurate (braced) didnt feel good but maybe you can make it work.

in my opinion about 50 of those 70+ weapons could be removed instantly and it would make the game better (bc RNG). all autoguns (which i havent played a lot) fall in that category.

[ToucanSafari]

Originally posted by SCZCelestrian:

when it comes to those 2 boss-missions, ranged dmg seems heavily reduced when shooting the shield, so that sweet dps might not mean anything.

https://imgur.com/a/sDwjwJV
Refer to above. All bosses receive an enormous amount of defense vs ranged attacks.
Beast of Nurgle--weakspot still receives 50% damage reduction vs ranged
Daemonhost-- weakspot receives 30% damage reduction vs ranged
Plague Ogryn -- 20% DR v Ranged
Assassination Bosses (Captains) -- 25% DR v Ranged, but only on head. Interesting to note that they receive 100% bonus damage from melee (200% bonus damage on shield).

[Mastigos Wilkins]

green infantry autogun is good, highest base dmg out of all the variants, others can't even kill elites in one mag in damnation
from HH ones, all of them are ok, except the 2 round burst green one, since it has locked fire rate
dont use braced autoguns

[Garudazeno]

The braced AK ones are good, the rest is bad for multiple reasons, but mostly ammo. The braced gun isn't good versus far away elites like snipers though, something to keep in mind as most will look to the veteran to take care of those.

[EastCLiff]

Originally posted by No_Title:

I'm curious what your explanation for the HH7 is. Does it have an innate feature I'm unaware of? Been messing around in the meatgrinder and was underwhelmed by it. Is there a blessing it needs in order to "click"?

You could feel it's bad if you care about dps. DPS of Vraks 7 is much worse than kantrael 12. V7 is weapon for focusing on killing gunners with faster and precise handling. I don't think blessing is important.

I think you already found it has good magnifying ratio. It has better ratio than kantrael 12 having scope. It is actually not weapon for dps and it has bad, aka 'usable', dps in close to mid range. But many gunner type enemies don't require high dps except ripper. Common dreg/scab gunners and elites are more threatening than any other types in high difficulty. That's why I suggest V7. You don't need to have high dps because many gunners are not much tough but they love hiding in cover and sidewalk to disturb your aim. Kantrael is also good for killing gunners but V7 gives better aims and it means speed of reducing enemy fire power is increased. It is very important in high diff games. In damnation games, there are many spots where gunfire walls are formed at 30~40m distance by 10~30 shooters including elites. V7 is better than kantrael for this situation.

[Don't panic]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904645907

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

game uses RNG for everything. game bad.
you use braced-RNG-gun for everything. probably bad.

also you dont melee a snail, after you´ve learnt that i can eat you with it´s tail, before it insta-turns.

demonhost... depends, but since you´ve to be really close to make the braced autogun work, you´re well in the knockback zone. also you dump mags into people who go melee.

using not-braced autoguns means your dps isn´t as insanely above a k12, also you have ironsights and not one of the good kind.

[Butka]

Bolter 4 all situations