Good Tier list for Vet

[The Crossed]

Have just found this video on Youtube, the list is pretty good and would be helpful for any Vets on lower difficulties struggling when trying higher https://youtu.be/me6d3Cfjb0M

[Arani]

That list is just... all over the place and so very completely wrong. At some point he considers blessings, at others he does not. Not to mention that those weapons depend completely on your build and focus in the game.

Plasma is not as powerful as he'd want it to be? A good plasma can one-shot ANYTHING except for muties and monstrosities on Damnation with a chest shot. It can singlehandedly take down about 2/5:ths of a monstrosity's health in like 3-4 seconds flat. It renders all the heavy hitters of the enemy completely useless, from any distance, and through a whole bunch of mobs. It can even kill 2-3 specials in a single shot, if you just move so they're lined up. Also, it kills doggos in a single charged shot, making it just phenomenal against the biggest threat in the game.

Power Sword B-tier because you have to "charge it for every swing"? Just... no. You have to charge it for every 2-3 swings, unless you get the Power Cycler blessing, in which case it's once for around 15 or so swings. It will kill 10-12 hordes with every single swing, and take down any specials in there with it. It will destroy bulwarks, crushers, dogs and muties just basically everything. In those boss battles? It just destroys that shield. It's so much better than any other melee weapon in the game. And tac axe is good because it has mobility to get you out of there? Yeah the Power Sword will just kill everything around you in a few seconds and keep killing anything that enters your melee range.

Recon F tier? But then the Braced Autoguns get placed 2-3 tiers above it because they have good medium range horde clear? The Recon does everything the Braced Autoguns does, but is literally infinitely more accurate, and has more ammo. The only exception to this is carapace armor and stopping power. And the only meaningful exception to that really comes from crushers, since Ragers and Maulers die easily to chest shots anyway.

Braced Autoguns can be good, I'm not saying that. But against most of the stuff the game throws at you, Recon is just so much better. At least he got Kantrael XII, Antax Combat Axe V, Bolter and Helbore right. In that the first 2 are amazing, truly S-tier weapons, and the latter 2 are so much worse than many desperately want to believe. :>

Edit: All of the above is from T5 perspective.

[Rаndo]

This list pretty good, but it has some godawful takes sprinkled in here and there.

[yaeMhay]

U tell em girl.

[The Crossed]

i mainly put it up for selfish reasons, in the hopes it might stop me seeing recons and autoguns on tier 4 and 5, i miss seeing vets bring single shot rifles so they can get rid of things across the map easily.

powersword is Def S tier as well. there's not anything that's gonna hit you, whilst charging it, if you're playing properly.

Plasma is super strong but if there's just one Vet i wouldn't want this to be the gun. i keep finding myself in matches with teams that have no long range
if there are two Vet's then definitely bring one.

i just despise snipers so so much and find my Zealot being the one killing them all, with a shotgun, so really happy when i see a long range single shot rifle (high damage)

[Snobby Hobo]

My man put the combat axe in S tier and the Powersword in B. It's like a drone that sees big number = good. Also putting the Recon family in F while putting all Autoguns in C. He's out of his mind.

[H4NS]

S - bolter, power sword, knife. A - lasgun, plasma, shovel, axes. B - chainsword, braced autoguns. Everything else is just a waste of space in my inventory.

[Watermelons]

The Agripnaa Infantry Autogun is fantastic, this absolute moron put that in F tier? In the trash just like 99% of tier list videos. I expected nothing and was still immensely disappointed, you're welcome for the +1 view.

[H4NS]

Originally posted by Something about Watermelons:

The Agripnaa Infantry Autogun is fantastic, this absolute moron put that in F tier? In the trash just like 99% of tier list videos. I expected nothing and was still immensely disappointed, you're welcome for the +1 view.

Play above sedition pls.

[Nihil]

Live these tier list videos. Most of them are utterly useless.

[Arani]

Originally posted by Hans Linger:

Originally posted by Something about Watermelons:

The Agripnaa Infantry Autogun is fantastic, this absolute moron put that in F tier? In the trash just like 99% of tier list videos. I expected nothing and was still immensely disappointed, you're welcome for the +1 view.

Play above sedition pls.

I've yet to get one with good stats for my vet, but it's an insane tool for zealots. Can be used for sniping, yet destroys several of about anything in close to medium range with a single clip. Also quite ammo efficient.

If - and I stress IF - one of those with high stability plus Volley Fire accuracy & stability boosts is good enough, I can definitely see it being a good tool for a vet. Probably not Kantrael XII good but still a really good weapon fit for putting more pressure in closer combat.

[H4NS]

Originally posted by Arani:

Originally posted by Hans Linger:

Play above sedition pls.

I've yet to get one with good stats for my vet, but it's an insane tool for zealots. Can be used for sniping, yet destroys several of about anything in close to medium range with a single clip. Also quite ammo efficient.

If - and I stress IF - one of those with high stability plus Volley Fire accuracy & stability boosts is good enough, I can definitely see it being a good tool for a vet. Probably not Kantrael XII good but still a really good weapon fit for putting more pressure in closer combat.

High stability on autoguns means absolutely nothing. It still jumps aruond like crazy+one of the worst iron sights i've ever seen in FPS. I understand if you use it on level 30 class for some chill runs on malice, but on heresy+ its borderline throwing the game.

[Cosmophase]

Originally posted by Arani:

That list is just... all over the place and so very completely wrong. At some point he considers blessings, at others he does not. Not to mention that those weapons depend completely on your build and focus in the game.

Plasma is not as powerful as he'd want it to be? A good plasma can one-shot ANYTHING except for muties and monstrosities on Damnation with a chest shot. It can singlehandedly take down about 2/5:ths of a monstrosity's health in like 3-4 seconds flat. It renders all the heavy hitters of the enemy completely useless, from any distance, and through a whole bunch of mobs. It can even kill 2-3 specials in a single shot, if you just move so they're lined up. Also, it kills doggos in a single charged shot, making it just phenomenal against the biggest threat in the game.

Power Sword B-tier because you have to "charge it for every swing"? Just... no. You have to charge it for every 2-3 swings, unless you get the Power Cycler blessing, in which case it's once for around 15 or so swings. It will kill 10-12 hordes with every single swing, and take down any specials in there with it. It will destroy bulwarks, crushers, dogs and muties just basically everything. In those boss battles? It just destroys that shield. It's so much better than any other melee weapon in the game. And tac axe is good because it has mobility to get you out of there? Yeah the Power Sword will just kill everything around you in a few seconds and keep killing anything that enters your melee range.

Recon F tier? But then the Braced Autoguns get placed 2-3 tiers above it because they have good medium range horde clear? The Recon does everything the Braced Autoguns does, but is literally infinitely more accurate, and has more ammo. The only exception to this is carapace armor and stopping power. And the only meaningful exception to that really comes from crushers, since Ragers and Maulers die easily to chest shots anyway.

Braced Autoguns can be good, I'm not saying that. But against most of the stuff the game throws at you, Recon is just so much better. At least he got Kantrael XII, Antax Combat Axe V, Bolter and Helbore right. In that the first 2 are amazing, truly S-tier weapons, and the latter 2 are so much worse than many desperately want to believe. :>

Edit: All of the above is from T5 perspective.

I don't know what you are smoking but I am laughing at you saying a power sword can deal with bulwarks and crushers, LOL. Axes are for mobility, a power sword with 80% mobility has -12% dodge distance. Go ahead and swing your sword and kill 10 enemies at once but you obviously forgot that on damnation there will be 2-3 crushers along with bulwarks, mutants, hordes, shooters, gunners, shotgunners, flamers, dogs, trappers, ragers, maulers and snipers. While you're sitting there saying "haha power sword go brr" your entire team is going to be getting wiped by the gunners because you have a power sword and your mobility is complete and utter ♥♥♥♥. Your job is SHARPSHOOTING, hence the name. Yet you are bringing a weapon that completely gimps your mobility in exchange for being able to kill hordes? You do understand what a veteran sharpshooter is supposed to do right?

[Watermelons]

Originally posted by Hans Linger:

Originally posted by Something about Watermelons:

The Agripnaa Infantry Autogun is fantastic, this absolute moron put that in F tier? In the trash just like 99% of tier list videos. I expected nothing and was still immensely disappointed, you're welcome for the +1 view.

Play above sedition pls.

I guarantee you I am better than you at this game, and I thoroughly enjoy playing Heresy and Damnation. Why don't you try using the gun? Why don't you try playing Damnation?

The only leeway I'll admit to is that I greatly favor playing these 'tide games with friends, one in particular. He and I duo all the time, loved to do so in Vermintide as well, as far back as L4D games. Point being that playing with pubs are the true difficulty spikes, because having a great team will make even Damnation pretty engaging but not quite all that *hard*. Carrying players who aren't ready for it? That's exceptionally tough, and then losing out on Allies in Coherency bonuses make it worse to duo the game than Vermintide.

What I use my Veteran for in these difficulties is taking out ALL shooters, not just specials. I use the level 30 feat for highlighting all shooters and refreshing the timer, and with the Agripinaa Infantry gun that I use, as well as the Tactical Reload feat, I am able to keep the ability up almost indefinitely while I take out the entire walls of shooters that Damnation loves to spawn. Specials and Elites don't matter nearly as much as those dedicated shooters that will not stop whittling you down if you expose so much as an elbow.

[Watermelons]

Aside from my response above, my own tier list would probably go
-Ranged
A: Plasma Gun, Boltgun, with their weaknesses being clunkiness but nothing else. All around effectiveness against anything, or anything important.
B: Agripinaa MK1 Infantry Autogun, Kantrael XII Lasgun, Stub Revolver. ♥♥♥♥ it, throw the Vraks VII Headhunter gun, any Helbore Lasgun and Agripinaa VIII Braced Gun too. They all have good strengths but some weaknesses, be it less effectiveness vs Carapace armor or lacking against hordes, or simply having to compete in niche with a Plasma/Boltgun.
C: Are all workable things like the VIIIa Recon Lasgun, the Columnus MKV gun, the Shredder Autopistol, Graia IV Braced gun, and the remaining Infantry Lasguns. Mostly because they can work against hordes but issues against armored targets or those in the distance. Not unsalvagable, because I hate binarily assigning things to being "amazing" vs" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥". But you will be left with weaknesses for sure.
D. Shotgun and the other two Recon Lasguns. Very weak choices with clear improvements available. Shotgun is unfortunately satisfying to feel but not as effective as it could be.
F: The only thing I can think of is the Heavy Laspistol. It feels good when you first start the game, then realize you could just have an Infantry Lasgun and be the exact same but with more damage and a better sight too lol.

If you wanna argue that C and D tier competing with A and B means it's ♥♥♥♥, that's on you. Also no S tier guns because even the best have their weaknesses. Bolter is almost there, but aiming is so destroyed by any amount of suppression on you, and of course its slow draw+reload times. And Plasmagun can only shoot so much at a given time, and can kill you with no recourse if you mess up.

Melee's much more simple.
S: Powersword, full stop. It only loses some effectiveness against Crushers and Bulwarks, but if you're capable at all of positioning and/or dancing with them while in a horde fight, they still aren't anything more than a speed bump.
A: Knife, and all the axes, if you have the feel for them. Imo, Tactical Axes over Combat for their speed, but I understand how powerful Combat ones can be. Their only weakesses are low cleave, being mostly single target weapons. But fantastic ones they are. This also goes for the knife, for basically the same reasons + potential for bleed and rending with good blessings.
B: Chain weapons. Good single target weapons, good for armor, but they get slowed down having to rev and shred. Makes them lose out against hordes too. Either way, solid weapons.
C/D: Shovels and Catachan swords due to their capability for horde *control* but lack of armor damage and general kill capability. Especially at higher difficulty, having to beat the crap out of a basic Scab like 4 times does not make for a good weapon.

[Arani]

Originally posted by Cosmophase:

I don't know what you are smoking but I am laughing at you saying a power sword can deal with bulwarks and crushers, LOL. Axes are for mobility, a power sword with 80% mobility has -12% dodge distance. Go ahead and swing your sword and kill 10 enemies at once but you obviously forgot that on damnation there will be 2-3 crushers along with bulwarks, mutants, hordes, shooters, gunners, shotgunners, flamers, dogs, trappers, ragers, and maulers. While you're sitting there saying "haha power sword go brr" your entire team is going to be getting wiped by the gunners because you have a power sword and your mobility is complete and utter ♥♥♥♥. Your job is SHARPSHOOTING, hence the name. Yet you are bringing a weapon that completely gimps your mobility in exchange for being able to kill hordes? You do understand what a veteran sharpshooter is supposed to do right?

Why do people always go into some kind of weird headcanon where they make up this story about a veteran who's just happily swinging their sword while there's specials and elites killing everyone? If you've ever played the game, you know full well there will be situations where the specials and other threats are dealt with, or the horde is in your face, and the best thing you can do is not be a liability in melee. And ultimately, when the specials are in the horde running at your team from behind a corner, you contribute a LOT more by just eliminating everything with your PS, as opposed to running back and hiding in a corner and picking one thing a second with your Kantrael XII.

It's like you people just want to argue for its own sake, and then come up with any kind of wild fantasy to support it. Misunderstanding on purpose.