On a pure strength level who is stronger

[Cpt Obvious]

Ogryn or space marine?

[~*|Reborn|*~]

Many people have already answered this, but one also has to remember that a SM is supposed to be a physically smaller than an Og, so though need power armour to be stronger, they pack more power per pound.

Not sure how they stack vs the new Primaris marines though,

[H4NS]

Ogryns are tough and strong, almost on a custodian level. And this clowns in golden armour with the most boring lore ever (I'M JUST BETTER THAN ANYONE) are the definition of a mary sue.

[Gaan Cathal]

Ogryns are noticeably stronger than Astartes whether or not the latter is wearing Power Armour. An Ogryn is as strong as an Astartes in a Dreadnaught.

An Astartes is give-or-take as resilient, or slightly less, and more likely to survive a serious wound long term and is significantly faster, smarter and better trained, but they can't deadlift as much by a fair margin, even in their armour.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Hadron when she calls someone a varlet.

[H4NS]

Originally posted by Gaan Cathal:

Ogryns are noticeably stronger than Astartes whether or not the latter is wearing Power Armour. An Ogryn is as strong as an Astartes in a Dreadnaught.

An Astartes is give-or-take as resilient, or slightly less, and more likely to survive a serious wound long term and is significantly faster, smarter and better trained, but they can't deadlift as much by a fair margin, even in their armour.

You mean "terminator armour"? Because Dreadnaught will just crush ogryn.

[Gaan Cathal]

Originally posted by Hans Linger:

You mean "terminator armour"? Because Dreadnaught will just crush ogryn.

No, I mean an actual-dead-guy-in-a-robot Dreadnaught. The Dreadnaught would absolutely crush an Ogryn far more easily than an Ogryn could damage a Dreadnaught, especially with the usual melee arm, but that's down to the Dreadnaught being tougher (and the power fist if you choose to include that). However, if you were to get both an Ogryn and a Dreadnaught to do a strong-man style Chimera pull, they'd be about even.

Ogryns are really, really strong. They're in the same bracket as Dreadnaughts and Carnifexes for raw strength.

[DeusEstMachina]

Originally posted by Gaan Cathal:

Ogryns are really, really strong. They're in the same bracket as Dreadnaughts and Carnifexes for raw strength.

no, not even close. one is a machine powered by hydraulics, and the ogryn is a guy with big muscles. it's not even a contest.
the carnifex is bio-engineered to perfection, pushing biological matter to its absolute limits.

while the ogryn is a result of natural selection, or maybe some basic genetic tampering. yes, they're big and tough, but they're basically scaled-up humans.

regarding the space marine vs ogryn argument: the ogryn is stronger, because they're like 10 feet tall, while space marines are around 8 (7 if you go by old lore).
but pound for pound space marines are stronger. so if it came down to between an astartes and an ogryn of the same weight, the space marine would win in terms of raw strength, every time. however, since ogryns are so much bigger, their power output outpaces that of space marines (even with power armor).

in melee tho, space marines in power armor would win over ogryns, hands down, due to their better reflexes, superior speed, combat experience, and natural talent.

[PwnyHipster]

Ogryns are stronger, and its not up for debate. It doesn't matter if a Space Marine has power armor on, or even Terminator armor. An Ogryn is still physically stronger.

Hell, Ogryns are stronger than PRIMARIS Space Marines.

A Single Ogryn in lore has CANONICALLY suplex a Chaos Space Marine in terminator armor, and killed 2 more Chaos Space Marines (again, in TERMINATOR ARMOR) before getting killed.

Granted that Ogryn was the personal bodyguard of a high ranking officer in the Imperial Guard but still.

Originally posted by ~*|Reborn|*~:

Many people have already answered this, but one also has to remember that a SM is supposed to be a physically smaller than an Og, so though need power armour to be stronger, they pack more power per pound.

Not sure how they stack vs the new Primaris marines though,

Ogryns are canonically physically stronger than Primaris marines

[Gaan Cathal]

Originally posted by DeusEstMachina:

no, not even close. one is a machine powered by hydraulics, and the ogryn is a guy with big muscles. it's not even a contest.
the carnifex is bio-engineered to perfection, pushing biological matter to its absolute limits.

while the ogryn is a result of natural selection, or maybe some basic genetic tampering. yes, they're big and tough, but they're basically scaled-up humans.

And yet, they are literally in the same strength bracket.

I imagine they're at the low end of that bracket, in the same way that it's commonly accepted that Humans are tougher than Eldar, but they're both in the same bracket. Ogryns can pick up and bodyslam suits of Terminator armour, they can flip over IFVs and rip open tank hatches - all stuff that Dreadnaughts and Carnifexes do.

Also, they're Str 6, like Dreads and Carnis.

[Vikings]

Originally posted by GeistHeller:

In the lore Ogryns are both stronger and tougher than baseline marines, but lack the intelligence, speed and tactical acumen necessary to be true supersoldiers.

It is reflected in the baseline stats of an Ogryn: Strength 6, Toughness 5 and 3 Wounds compared to a marine's 4, 4 and 2.

A marine's power armour, superior equipment, training and superhuman reflexes/speed still mean that an Ogryn would be at a huge disadvantage in a "fair" fight, but if given the opportunity to strike a marine, an Ogryn could inflict some serious damage.

They are, after all, strong enough to pull the 40k equivalent of an IFV or punch ork nobz to a bloody pulp.

Mark this as the answer. It is 100% accurate.

[Sneakimus]

Raw strength and durability aren't the only things that matter in a fight.

What makes Space Marines so exceptionally difficult opponents is that they're not just genetically modified super soldiers with superb reaction speed, armor and physical strength and endurance, but also their tactical ability. A Guardsman operating a Lascannon can take out a Space Marine, but good luck getting a shot. Ogryns and Ork Nobz may be stronger than Space Marines, but good luck hitting one. And that is assuming you get a fair fight in the first place, where the Space Marine hasn't baited you into the firing range of one of his teammates.

And Chaos Space Marines could be even worse opponents, where some of them are said to possess the absurd levels of strength, power, skill, ingenuity, guile, cunning, trickery and flat out luck required to survive 10,000 years in the Eye of Terror.

[kknd]

Originally posted by Sneakimus:

Raw strength and durability aren't the only things that matter in a fight.

What makes Space Marines so exceptionally difficult opponents is that they're not just genetically modified super soldiers with superb reaction speed, armor and physical strength and endurance, but also their tactical ability. A Guardsman operating a Lascannon can take out a Space Marine, but good luck getting a shot. Ogryns and Ork Nobz may be stronger than Space Marines, but good luck hitting one. And that is assuming you get a fair fight in the first place, where the Space Marine hasn't baited you into the firing range of one of his teammates.

And Chaos Space Marines could be even worse opponents, where some of them are said to possess the absurd levels of strength, power, skill, ingenuity, guile, cunning, trickery and flat out luck required to survive 10,000 years in the Eye of Terror.

Indeed.

Though CSM quality varies wildly compared to Imperial Space Marines, since you might be dealing with a long war veteran with 10k years battle experience, the 'blessings' of multiple dark gods and artificer quality gear from the great crusade era... or you could be dealing with some modern 'knock off' who joined chaos and became a CSM less than a century ago, with stolen modern gear (likely not properly maintained) and little if any attention from the four sentient reality tumors, who might have come direct from a feudal world and had zero meaningful training since then.

Funny enough, this makes it potentially plausable for the party to (with great diffaculty) down a single 'newbie/knock off' CSM. Wouldn't place money on the rejects winning, but it isn't impossible. Vs an imperial Space Marine, they'd have to already be crippled for there to even be a chance. (or the Marine is a Lamenter.)

Ogryn are comedically strong and suprisingly tough, but as mentioned they're slow, dull and neither trained nor equipped to contest even a naked zero gear space marine. But if that SM (CSM or ISM) lets the Ogryn grapple him, he's gonna have a bad time.

[2D > 3D WEEB 4 LIFE]

Originally posted by Sneakimus:

Raw strength and durability aren't the only things that matter in a fight.

The discussion is about strength.

Ogryns and Ork Nobz may be stronger than Space Marines, but good luck hitting one.

Space Marines lose to Orks all the time.

And Chaos Space Marines could be even worse opponents, where some of them are said to possess the absurd levels of strength, power, skill, ingenuity, guile, cunning, trickery and flat out luck required to survive 10,000 years in the Eye of Terror.

They could be but the amount of Chaos Space Marines that are thousands of years old and fully functional with good quality equipment are quite low. A lot of the CSM are also (children of raped) slaves or other forms of "bad stock" that get "enhanced" through worse means or otherwise hampered by unstable mutations.

[Cpt Obvious]

How come whenever I see any depiction of space marines I don't see them doing anything particularly tactical or using their super reflexes in any way special? They just always seem like regular grunts just exchanging fire like any other grunt?

[Soka Ried]

Originally posted by Cpt Obvious:

How come whenever I see any depiction of space marines I don't see them doing anything particularly tactical or using their super reflexes in any way special? They just always seem like regular grunts just exchanging fire like any other grunt?

The fanproject "astartes" does it pretty well