Psykers who ONLY use Surge Staff RMB, one question:

[armedpoop]

WHY???? You are basically dead weight to the team, especially when you have an Ogryn frontline. Horde comes up? palpatine hands. 2 Crushers and 3 Bulwarks + horde? Shock staff.

You are literally not contributing anything. Why would you not at least brain blast the Crushers and Bulwarks? It blows my mind watching these Psykers kill themselves because they had to rush in past the Ogryn to zap the horde, then get overwhelmed.

[Bum Ghost]

execute order 66

[spy movie sex scene]

execute order six sixty six...

[Hawkshot86]

Hordes no idea, but the lightning staff does more damage to flak and carapace, so it's one of the few weapons that can actually kill a crusher.

Guardsmen who shoot crushers with lasguns and autoguns, on the otherhand... You're literally just throwing your ammo away.

[armedpoop]

Originally posted by Hawkshot86:

Hordes no idea, but the lightning staff does more damage to flak and carapace, so it's one of the few weapons that can actually kill a crusher.

Guardsmen who shoot crushers with lasguns and autoguns, on the otherhand... You're literally just throwing your ammo away.

I feel like Vets shooting armor is way less common than "execute order 66" Psykers. It hurts my soul to see. Does it really do good damage to a crusher? I have seen them try and solo crushers with the shock staff for a lot longer than if they just brain blasted.

[Macrollium]

Psyker with Surge Staff locks down specials and small groups better than anyone else. That's far from being dead weight. Used correctly and efficiently, special encounters are trivialized provided that your teammates aren't staring at a wall.

[TheGreenman]

It's the most reliable stagger in the game. That dog? Stopped. That mutie? Stopped. Those armed jackwagons hiding behind cover? It goes through that. I can walk forward while everyone else is hiding from all this. My character is MingTheMerciless and my movement is not for some pitiful heretic to give or take.

[Macrollium]

Originally posted by TheGreenman:

It's the most reliable stagger in the game.

At 20 whole meters too with an extremely generous line of sight requirement. Nobody else comes close.

[Shadow Creator]

While you won't match the killing potential of a veteran this is a really horrible take, OP. The lightning does a lot of bonus damage to anything armored, generally one shots any gunners, and stuns groups of specials. It is definitely not ideal for clearing hordes but unless they have a sweeping weapon then the lightning is still at least doing something, even if not ideal.

The psyker will never keep up with a veteran for deleting everything on screen so what are you hoping for here? The brain burst snipes across the map? Sure that can/should be done but otherwise please keep spamming that lightning you pyskers.

[luZk]

Because...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg14jNbBb-8

[armedpoop]

Originally posted by TheGreenman:

It's the most reliable stagger in the game. That dog? Stopped. That mutie? Stopped. Those armed jackwagons hiding behind cover? It goes through that. I can walk forward while everyone else is hiding from all this. My character is MingTheMerciless and my movement is not for some pitiful heretic to give or take.

That Dog? Dodged by literally anyone with half a brain. That mutie? Dodged by anyone with half a brain (although I will say shocking them is imo the BEST use of the shock staff). As a Psyker, you can dodge the mutie while charging a brain blast on it and that will take a significant chunk of it's HP away so anyone else can kill it before your second brain blast connects.

Walk forward with the lightning staff and get shot up by all the guns in the room? You shouldn't be walking past your frontline with a shock staff.

Originally posted by Macrallex:

Originally posted by TheGreenman:

It's the most reliable stagger in the game.

At 20 whole meters too with an extremely generous line of sight requirement. Nobody else comes close.

If your vet can aim, he is putting them down with a single shot from an MG XII from even further than 20m. Great for people that can't aim, but if you have to leave cover to get in range, you are getting shot and taking unneeded damage.

Originally posted by Shadow Creator:

While you won't match the killing potential of a veteran this is a really horrible take, OP. The lightning does a lot of bonus damage to anything armored, generally one shots any gunners, and stuns groups of specials. It is definitely not ideal for clearing hordes but unless they have a sweeping weapon then the lightning is still at least doing something, even if not ideal.

The psyker will never keep up with a veteran for deleting everything on screen so what are you hoping for here? The brain burst snipes across the map? Sure that can/should be done but otherwise please keep spamming that lightning you pyskers.

Nobody is asking for you to match the killing power of a vet (although the flamestaff is incredible horde clear). Generally one shots any gunners? We talking trash guns or elite gunners? Stunning a group of specials is nice on paper, but in practice, you stunned that group of specials and then what? Stood there and waited for somebody else to come kill them? You also racked up a ton of Peril in the process. Hang back behind the frontline, and brain burst the crushers and bulwarks, help with the horde as it reaches you. You should not be initiating horde fights.

What I want is for Psykers to not forget that they have brain blast. I want you to be safe while you are using your shock staff. Don't shock the horde, it actually makes it harder to kill the horde because they aren't clumping together to get hit like they usually would.

[Shadow Creator]

Lightning staff spam is definitely a support or CC role that still gets plenty of kills. Any trash gunners typically get one shot and the elites generally 2-3 hits which are very rapid, unless the psyker is max charging each hit for some reason. Peril is generally not an issue since you just abuse quelling a few percent or weaving F in the spam. Bulwarks and Crushers get killed pretty fast with lightning and definitely faster than trying to burst a couple times if there is a pack. If just a single one is running amok I could see lightning followed by BB but why bother if a few lightning strikes kills it while also hitting various other enemies?

To clarify, we are not arguing if this is the best build but if someone is running a decent lightning build I say spam away.

I agree it is doing very little for hordes.

[armedpoop]

Originally posted by Shadow Creator:

Lightning staff spam is definitely a support or CC role that still gets plenty of kills. Any trash gunners typically get one shot and the elites generally 2-3 hits which are very rapid, unless the psyker is max charging each hit for some reason. Peril is generally not an issue since you just abuse quelling a few percent or weaving F in the spam. Bulwarks and Crushers get killed pretty fast with lightning and definitely faster than trying to burst a couple times if there is a pack. If just a single one is running amok I could see lightning followed by BB but why bother if a few lightning strikes kills it while also hitting various other enemies?

To clarify, we are not arguing if this is the best build but if someone is running a decent lightning build I say spam away.

I agree it is doing very little for hordes.

Hmm, I have yet to see it killing crushers and elites quickly but I will take your word for it and try to pay better attention. I can only base this off my own experiences and in my experience any palpatine hands spamming psyker is doing almost nothing to crushers or elites outside of the stun. I ain't even saying not to use it, just don't let that be your ONLY weapon.

[Blackfrost]

Surge Force staff is used to lock down enemies.

When you have "an Ogryn frontline" as you put it, using the Surge Staff RMB roots the ogryns in place and deals some decent damage to them. It even removes the Bulwark's front protection.
You can reliably hold 4-5 ogryns in place with RMB for a long time.
If you start at 0% Perils, by the time you reach 100% ( which takes roughly 5-6 RMB attacks ) you will kill one or two of them.

Killing a single Ogryn requires three Brain Bursts, which not only takes a long time, but is also enough to bring your Perils from 0% to 100%.
And during this time, enemies would just keep rushing you.

In other words, spamming RMB is the correct move.

[Kyrial]

Originally posted by armedpoop:

Originally posted by TheGreenman:

It's the most reliable stagger in the game. That dog? Stopped. That mutie? Stopped. Those armed jackwagons hiding behind cover? It goes through that. I can walk forward while everyone else is hiding from all this. My character is MingTheMerciless and my movement is not for some pitiful heretic to give or take.

That Dog? Dodged by literally anyone with half a brain. That mutie? Dodged by anyone with half a brain (although I will say shocking them is imo the BEST use of the shock staff). As a Psyker, you can dodge the mutie while charging a brain blast on it and that will take a significant chunk of it's HP away so anyone else can kill it before your second brain blast connects.

Walk forward with the lightning staff and get shot up by all the guns in the room? You shouldn't be walking past your frontline with a shock staff.

Originally posted by Macrallex:

At 20 whole meters too with an extremely generous line of sight requirement. Nobody else comes close.

If your vet can aim, he is putting them down with a single shot from an MG XII from even further than 20m. Great for people that can't aim, but if you have to leave cover to get in range, you are getting shot and taking unneeded damage.

Originally posted by Shadow Creator:

While you won't match the killing potential of a veteran this is a really horrible take, OP. The lightning does a lot of bonus damage to anything armored, generally one shots any gunners, and stuns groups of specials. It is definitely not ideal for clearing hordes but unless they have a sweeping weapon then the lightning is still at least doing something, even if not ideal.

The psyker will never keep up with a veteran for deleting everything on screen so what are you hoping for here? The brain burst snipes across the map? Sure that can/should be done but otherwise please keep spamming that lightning you pyskers.

Nobody is asking for you to match the killing power of a vet (although the flamestaff is incredible horde clear). Generally one shots any gunners? We talking trash guns or elite gunners? Stunning a group of specials is nice on paper, but in practice, you stunned that group of specials and then what? Stood there and waited for somebody else to come kill them? You also racked up a ton of Peril in the process. Hang back behind the frontline, and brain burst the crushers and bulwarks, help with the horde as it reaches you. You should not be initiating horde fights.

What I want is for Psykers to not forget that they have brain blast. I want you to be safe while you are using your shock staff. Don't shock the horde, it actually makes it harder to kill the horde because they aren't clumping together to get hit like they usually would.

You are probably playing Malice. Having a surge staff in a group is a great confort for everyone. This staff shine in CC and when you ♥♥♥♥ a group of 3 crushers and 2 bulwark coming with an horde and random spawned specials you are happy to see the Crusher pinned on ground. Brain Burst is cool to take down dreg and scab gunner/shotgunner, trap and bomber, other ennemies are a waste of peril, especially muties that need 4 brain in damnation.

[Shadow Creator]

If you have a psyker I'd just go mess around in the training arena to see how the bonus damage is pretty good for armored enemies. You can mark 1-2 chaff as primary targets (Typically the highest damage) and the secondary chain effect will do more damage to armored enemies. Primary target armored enemies and they get hit hard.

Really though, if you are with a decent group, especially with a veteran(s), there is little to do well. Veteran just deletes everything so when you get your first lightning off veteran already gunned everything down. You are there for the CC like Kyrial mentions.