How to flamer?

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

15 damage per ammo isnt serious.
Even the fact it can shoot on 20+ meters with 80% range, it's seems just a waste of weapon slot.
Stagger to some elites is okay, but it take all ammo you have to hold it like 10 seconds.
In same time you completly unable to do a thing to a little spread crowd, moving to you from different sides.
While horde from one direction or in corridor does not requre any heavy weapon to be stopped, enough one man and knife.

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This weapon ment to be ultimate killer on close range, but it actually poops on this role.
- Basic bruisers ignore stagger and run through fire. Not saying about berserkers and maulers, but those are slow and not a threat in general.
- Horde always spreading and attack different sides. Even single pow walker form side would disrupt all you beautiful pyromantic dreams.
- THat many threats that require you to take melee and solve it, so if you ever took a meele, you cant ever pull a flamer from pocket untill fight ends.
Single zealot with flamer versus horde dies gets overwhelmed and dies where he stands. Funny it is for heavy anti-horde weapon.
- It's is so slow and clunky, so you MUST hold it in your hands all the time to be sure you can use it next time it will be needed.
- This would be okay if team cover you. Always. Babysit. Wipe ass. Constantly.
- Such heavy team dependant weapon with limited abilities not worth be taken at all.

And dont tell me it burns horde. Stacked in one place soft poxwalker horde may be dismantled with basic knife. No need to take special heavy weapon for this.
But real threats are beyond it's abilities.

It would be okay-ish and skill dependant, if it would be fast and mobile weapon. But it is not.

[GWOP-W×TCH]

mine is 17 with almost everything about 80% or 75%. You hold it down and it deletes hordes and elites while also staggering (not some elites) but 95% of them. Blessings matter too. You're just not using it right. It's clutch on malice and heresy and probably damnation. You can also i dunno, move your mouse while spraying left and right instead of just spraying in one direction. I also never pick up ammo and kill hordes the entire mission.

[Oaknut]

It shines better on heresy and presumably damnation. Not enough mobs on malice and under it feels like you never really needed it. Awesome when there are huge hordes with many ragers mixed in.

Edit: Same as all of the weapons. Same weapon can be crap or amazing based on the stats and blessings.

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by 3OOBLK-imok-:

mine is 17 with almost everything about 80% or 75%. You hold it down and it deletes hordes and elites while also staggering (not some elites) but 95% of them. Blessings matter too. You're just not using it right. It's clutch on malice and heresy and probably damnation. You can also i dunno, move your mouse while spraying left and right instead of just spraying in one direction. I also never pick up ammo and kill hordes the entire mission.

Seems you play malice, where zombie has 100 hp.
Or not honest.

On herecy it already not working at all. I shoot, zombies come to me and hit me in melee

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Oaknut:

It shines better on heresy and presumably damnation. Not enough mobs on malice and under it feels like you never really needed it. Awesome when there are huge hordes with many ragers mixed in.

Edit: Same as all of the weapons. Same weapon can be crap or amazing based on the stats and blessings.

what blessings needed wor this then?

[ChisaiiNeko]

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am:

15 damage per ammo isnt serious.
Even the fact it can shoot on 20+ meters with 80% range, it's seems just a waste of weapon slot.
Stagger to some elites is okay, but it take all ammo you have to hold it like 10 seconds.
In same time you completly unable to do a thing to a little spread crowd, moving to you from different sides.
While horde from one direction or in corridor does not requre any heavy weapon to be stopped, enough one man and knife.

Damage stat is not important. Burn and cloud radius is.

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Nekonya (^w^):

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am:

15 damage per ammo isnt serious.
Even the fact it can shoot on 20+ meters with 80% range, it's seems just a waste of weapon slot.
Stagger to some elites is okay, but it take all ammo you have to hold it like 10 seconds.
In same time you completly unable to do a thing to a little spread crowd, moving to you from different sides.
While horde from one direction or in corridor does not requre any heavy weapon to be stopped, enough one man and knife.

Damage stat is not important. Burn and cloud radius is.

https://imgur.com/a/XEziM0f
enough?
https://imgur.com/a/54Ktqwx
I have this also

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Slithy:

Because you're not counting it right. What you need to count is the burn stacks and damage over time application. This is just a short burst on Damnation training room.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2901405934

Notice how the ticks build up?

BUILD UP is the main issue.
It takes 10+ ammo and tons of time to kill one little zombie.


SHORT BURST you say? You spend 8 ammo to barly scratch one elite. It took you 8 seconds. And what if there 3-4 such elites? What if they not stuck in one spot?

[Invidious]

uh, Richard Simmons skin in shop.

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Invidious:

uh, Richard Simmons skin in shop.

dont understand you. How about not so local humour?

[519B.]

Use the feat "Thy Wrath Be Swift", iirc. stops you from getting stunned when hit

this will stop you from being knocked out of reload/ADS animations and if u do get hit, a movespeed bonus while ADS strafing.

fan the flames will stagger elites and if u can combo it with showstopper, you can explode them. can proc huge chain reactions, i exploded like 10 elites at once yesterday

[Paul D Blazersmith]

My Flamer at I believe 17 dmg does the Emperor's work, I melt everything with it, the only thing that is very tanky to it is Crushers and for that you have the Melee option, I don't know if you just unlocked Flamers but once you get some good perks and blessings on flamers they are a menace.

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Slithy:

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am:

BUILD UP is the main issue.
It takes 10+ ammo and tons of time to kill one little zombie.


SHORT BURST you say? You spend 8 ammo to barly scratch one elite. It took you 8 seconds. And what if there 3-4 such elites? What if they not stuck in one spot?

It goes through enemies. It's meant for hordes, not single targets.

I say it again. It goes throu horde on one direction. You need 10 ammo to kill zombies in right that direction. If you want to cover wider radius, you must spend 10 ammo for each sector in fron og you. If you are attacked from several directions at once (always) you cant even defend yourself, because yoi cant kill anything

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Paul Blazersmith:

My Flamer at I believe 17 dmg does the Emperor's work, I melt everything with it, the only thing that is very tanky to it is Crushers and for that you have the Melee option, I don't know if you just unlocked Flamers but once you get some good perks and blessings on flamers they are a menace.

what is good in your mind?

[Eagle_I_am | .tv/eagle_i_am]

Originally posted by Slithy:

Originally posted by Eagle_I_am:

I say it again. It goes throu horde on one direction. You need 10 ammo to kill zombies in right that direction. If you want to cover wider radius, you must spend 10 ammo for each sector in fron og you. If you are attacked from several directions at once (always) you cant even defend yourself, because yoi cant kill anything

You literally turn left and right with the stream to defend yourself. Are you not using the secondary ability and only the primary "puff puff" ability? Because we can't help you if you choose to be ignorant and not actually try the weapon out properly.

I do use right click. And it does no damage if you hit zombie for not enough time. I say about herecy+, where zombies actually have 225 hp, when one ammo does ooookay 17 damage.

[Shadar]

Stop feeding the troll.