Why do Psykers have the hardest penances in the game?

[PwnyHipster]

Like the other classes penances are easy mode compared to what we have to go through with Pick n Mix, Cliffhanger, Going Out With a Bang, and Malleus Monstronum.

[pi73r]

Publicado originalmente por Kurtino:

Publicado originalmente por sergantuss:

psyker penances is the only penances that you have 0 chance to do with randoms.

he have the only penances that was created to play totaly VS your team and ♥♥♥♥ them as much as you can.

kill boss solo? ok...its mean that everybody need to play only around you.
blowing yourself with elites - here we go and pubs is slowly full of psykers that constantly killing themself
kill 5 uniq elites in 12 seconds? - well. just outspeed your team and prey for a lucky rng with all this no brain vets that need 1-2 bullets to kill elites.

the only penance that can be close to the bs that he have is Zealot one when you need to speedrun with low HP.

all other ones is clearly can be done with randoms without forcing them to play only around you.

the guy(or girl) who created this ♥♥♥♥ just hate humanity so much.

the fact that someone there told *YES* to this penances is clearly show that this is just another part of the game that was never tested.

veteran penances is hard. but this is how it should be.
its rly hard and anoying to do. but its possible.

same with ogryns.

psyker is just a big pile of ♥♥♥♥ that devs throw on the players heads and forcing players to throw this ♥♥♥♥ on the team as well.

Did you skip my other posts? You cannot do many of the Ogryn challenges without a team, and arguably the final Zealot challenge unless you've got some sort of cheese exploit as the bots aren't strong enough on Heresy.

The difference with the Psyker's challenge is that it's as it's as simple as asking them to simply not intervene. Your team doesn't need to do anything special to not hit the boss, they just need to not hit it. It's a lot different than asking them not to kill ogryns and also kite them around the match on a hard difficulty, which is the comparative chest piece. Asking your full team to speed run a 20 minute match on Heresy while you take virtually no damage is also very tough.

Difficulty I would say with this current patch is Ogryn > Psyker - Zealot > Veteran. Psyker you can do most of theirs in a single match with minimal setup, and only Pick N Mix is slightly annoying, and I know, cause I've helped other psykers do it.

Lol, the charge penance got easier + you can do it randomly on any semi big horde in pub.
Ive got most penances and pretty much all achievs except for psyker going out with a bang. Haven't tried it but this one defo needs a premade or solo private lobby.

[Ironslayer541]

Publicado originalmente por PoniBeatnik:

Publicado originalmente por Ironslayer541:

No hes a pysker he has deflect, so he would not know.

Lmao veterans don't have teammates who can shoot the ranged dude? Vet is the most popular class in the game you cannot tell me that vets who are doing the 100% accuracy penance don't have other vets to pick up the ranged slack.

Also vets have grenades to help with ranged dudes.

If you saw the average vet player you would know they never hit anything and just waste ammo. You should know this already as a pysker player.

[HunApo]

Im sorry, what?
Psyker got the easiest ones, every other class has at least 1 messed up where you need more than 2 braincells.
I did almost all psyker quest without even trying, the only ones missing are the monster kill and suicide elite kills.

[PwnyHipster]

Publicado originalmente por HunApo:

Im sorry, what?
Psyker got the easiest ones, every other class has at least 1 messed up where you need more than 2 braincells.
I did almost all psyker quest without even trying, the only ones missing are the monster kill and suicide elite kills.

LMAO well thats the nature of RNG some people get EXTREMELY lucky others have to suffer the nasty effects.

Warp Battery is a skill based and reasonable Psyker penance I admit, but the fact that you got Pick n Mix, and Cliffhanger done easily is a pure miracle.

Also good luck completing Malleus Monstronum in solo queue. It took me 3 days of trying to do that (and that was before it was made easier) wonder how long it will take you.

[HunApo]

Publicado originalmente por PoniBeatnik:

Publicado originalmente por HunApo:

Im sorry, what?
Psyker got the easiest ones, every other class has at least 1 messed up where you need more than 2 braincells.
I did almost all psyker quest without even trying, the only ones missing are the monster kill and suicide elite kills.

LMAO well thats the nature of RNG some people get EXTREMELY lucky others have to suffer the nasty effects.

Warp Battery is a skill based and reasonable Psyker penance I admit, but the fact that you got Pick n Mix, and Cliffhanger done easily is a pure miracle.

Also good luck completing Malleus Monstronum in solo queue. It took me 3 days of trying to do that wonder how long it will take you.

Well i play with friends mostly duo or trio, but the warp batter and pick and mix was done without effort.
Also, it helps a lot if you are playing on damnation, as there are actually enemies so killing 5 elites/specials or sustaining max charge for 5 mins is literally impossible to fail unless you try really hard.

[Commissar]

When a psyker looks at their penances they can feel 10% of the pain a veteran player has from theirs.

[Kurtino]

Publicado originalmente por PoniBeatnik:

Lmao Pick n Mix is pure RNG. First you have to hope there are 5 oneshot brainburst specials on the screen at once.

Are you dense? Why would you "hope" there are 5 one shot enemies on screen? Why don't you do what everyone else does, which is get 5 specials on the screen, hit them all once with your brainburst, because it's Heresy and they take two shots, then once you've got them all one shottable, one shot them? You can do this with a single rager pack spawn, for example, because groups with 5 specialists are very common.

Just like almost every other penance for other classes, you control the setup to get the outcome. You crying and saying "it's just RNG, everyone else has it easier than me" is such obvious copium it's laughable. It'll be RNG if you keep waiting to do with bots and solo, hoping you trip up onto 5 weakened mobs, or you could just talk to other human beings and get it done like everyone else has to with their penances (except veteran).

[PwnyHipster]

Publicado originalmente por HunApo:

Well i play with friends mostly duo or trio, but the warp batter and pick and mix was done without effort.
Also, it helps a lot if you are playing on damnation, as there are actually enemies so killing 5 elites/specials or sustaining max charge for 5 mins is literally impossible to fail unless you try really hard.

Well yeah Warp Battery is the only well designed unique Psyker penance. Its not that hard, and its a fair test of skill.

You likely got Pick n Mix done cus you got lucky. This isn't an insult or a knock on your skill level because Pick n Mix is a purely RNG penance. Skill isn't a factor with that one, luck is.

Lastly of course I've been playing on Damnation exclusively for it. Its just that some maps are better for it than other, and all of yesterday the maps were plagued with blackouts and lack of endless hordes.

[Black Magic]

From the design stand-point of a Team oriented game, 90% of all the Class specific penances are *bad* and detrimental for other players unless you go in with a full premade. You can ask players, yes, but the fact they have to make the effort in order to make your Penance an exception to their playthrough is the barrel-load of toxicity to the game's design. Psyker Penances were even WORSE during the Beta.

There's only a few beneficial that I can think of off the top of my head that are acceptable, such as Marked for Death (Sharpshooter - hit 4 enemy weakspots without missing a short during Volley Fire), One in the Chamber (again, Sharpshooter), Deadeye (Heresy Threat+, during one use of Volley Fire kill 5 Highlighted enemies with Weak Spot Hits while using the weapons ADS).

Ogryn penances flow the most naturally because they are not to the detriment of your team. They actually tend to synergise.

That's just some to name, and they all happen to majority belong to the Veteran. Zealot has maybe one or two—one that encourages the use of Stumm Grenades, the other that again encourages Stumm Grenading a Sharpshooter.

It's counter productive to the game's purpose—Penances are meant to be challenges, yes, but not to the detriment to the flow of teamplay. Each one should actually be a benefactor to the well-being of a team, with the best being the most difficult to pull off at higher difficulties.

Malleus Monstronum, for example, is not. Especially not after the recurring nerfs to Brain Bursts' damage output. Your team is FORCED to sit there and do nothing, because one scratch invalidates the Penance (even after the Penance change), unless there's the chance Horde or Special that spawns.

[zanos]

I have 4 level 30s of each of the classes. I actually accomplished the vets one first, since they were by far the easiest. The ogryn ones are pretty easy except for needing RNG for being in a fight with 6 ogryn's now, I got it when it was 4 in the beta.

All of the zealot penances are easy except for the speedrunning one, the psyker ones (going out with a bang, malleus, and pick n mix) are the hardest in the game now, not because they are actually hard to do but require the right enemies in the right place without your team sabotaging you. Malleus is likely very easy with a premade team of people willing to waste their time for you to get it. Going out with a bang is actually a lot harder than you would think since your warp explosion does crap damage and only works on softened up enemies, and pick n mix only works if you have very specific elites, dreg gunner/shotgunners/etc. that can be BB'ed in one go, since roughly half of the elites on heresy+ require 2-3 BBs to take down.

[PwnyHipster]

Publicado originalmente por ♥♥♥ Culpa:

From the design stand-point of a Team oriented game, 90% of all the Class specific penances are *bad* and detrimental for other players unless you go in with a full premade. You can ask players, yes, but the fact they have to make the effort in order to make your Penance an exception to their playthrough is the barrel-load of toxicity to the game's design.

It's counter productive to the game's purpose—Penances are meant to be challenges, yes, but not to the detriment to the flow of teamplay. Each one should actually be a benefactor to the well-being of a team.

Malleus Monstronum, for example, is not. Especially not after the recurring nerfs to Brain Bursts' damage output. Your team is FORCED to sit there and do nothing, because one scratch invalidates the Penance (even after the Penance change), unless there's the chance Horde or Special that spawns.

Exactly this. Whoever at Fatshark designed and approved most of these penances were clearly not thinking it through.

Though again, I do say that Warp Battery is a well designed Penance.

[PwnyHipster]

Publicado originalmente por zanos:

I have 4 level 30s of each of the classes. I actually accomplished the vets one first, since they were by far the easiest. The ogryn ones are pretty easy except for needing RNG for being in a fight with 6 ogryn's now, I got it when it was 4 in the beta.

All of the zealot penances are easy except for the speedrunning one, the psyker ones (going out with a bang, malleus, and pick n mix) are the hardest in the game now, not because they are actually hard to do but require the right enemies in the right place without your team sabotaging you. Malleus is likely very easy with a premade team of people willing to waste their time for you to get it. Going out with a bang is actually a lot harder than you would think since your warp explosion does crap damage and only works on softened up enemies, and pick n mix only works if you have very specific elites, dreg gunner/shotgunners/etc. that can be BB'ed in one go, since roughly half of the elites on heresy+ require 2-3 BBs to take down.

All of this.

It would be more fair if Pick n Mix was 4 elite/specials. Its still challenging but most people can actually pull that off reasonably. 5 is too much even at 12 seconds.

if it was 4 within 10 seconds there would be FAR less complaints.

Similarly with Going Out With a Bang. Aside from the fact that it sabotages your team, it would be better if it was 2 elites/specials.

[SaltySandman]

Publicado originalmente por PoniBeatnik:

Like the other classes penances are easy mode compared to what we have to go through with Pick n Mix, Cliffhanger, Going Out With a Bang, and Malleus Monstronum.

It got nerfed to ♥♥♥♥ You cant push 7 enemies down a ledge? Really.

[HunApo]

Publicado originalmente por PoniBeatnik:

Publicado originalmente por HunApo:

Well i play with friends mostly duo or trio, but the warp batter and pick and mix was done without effort.
Also, it helps a lot if you are playing on damnation, as there are actually enemies so killing 5 elites/specials or sustaining max charge for 5 mins is literally impossible to fail unless you try really hard.

Well yeah Warp Battery is the only well designed unique Psyker penance. Its not that hard, and its a fair test of skill.

You likely got Pick n Mix done cus you got lucky. This isn't an insult or a knock on your skill level because Pick n Mix is a purely RNG penance. Skill isn't a factor with that one, luck is.

Lastly of course I've been playing on Damnation exclusively for it. Its just that some maps are better for it than other, and all of yesterday the maps were plagued with blackouts and lack of endless hordes.

5 elites/specials need some luck, thats true.
But compare it to charge 6 ogryn with a single ult? That is a lot more harder, because even hi density damnation it is not that frequent to have 6 of them at the same time, THEN you have to line them up.
At least with psyker you can just spam BB and jobs done once you have those 5 different units (and since you spam away BB anyway it isnt something that oh fck, my ability is on CD)

[Kittik]

im wondering why the load times still suck