Best Ogryn Weapon for heresy +?

[Gman]

Was using shield but have found it ineffective. What do you pro ogryns use?

[Snobby Hobo]

Shield is the best Ogryn weapon in the game without a shred of doubt. Everyone in your team will appreciate you for being there, but it's also a tad... boring. Aggro in this game is pretty simple: if enemies get within a radius from you (which is pretty small) they will change targets. A shield Ogryn can plant himself in a hallway effectively taunting an entire angle - not even a Surge Psyker can provide that much CC.

[Gman]

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Shield is the best Ogryn weapon in the game without a shred of doubt. Everyone in your team will appreciate you for being there, but it's also a tad... boring. Aggro in this game is pretty simple: if enemies get within a radius from you (which is pretty small) they will change targets. A shield Ogryn can plant himself in a hallway effectively taunting an entire angle - not even a Surge Psyker can provide that much CC.

Thanks for the reply. I have heard that the shovel is the best. Why would they say this?

[Slurs! In the Discord]

Shield is not the best, it's just the one with the least effort required.

[Cacomistle]

I like club. Restores toughness really easily with the toughness on single target heavy trait, its mobile so it lets you get in on ranged enemies, its second heavy easily bleeds everything which makes you immortal in melee, and it has the fastest time to kill on elites. I think because of how easy it is to regen toughness, it is quite arguably the best vs ranged enemies (yes the best, shield is fine for when they're all in 1 direction or you can press special and expect teammates to do everything for you, but if you've got teammates good enough that you can sit there doing nothing except acting as a target and expect to win then you're easily fine on heresy and probably fine on damnation).

The only thing its weak at is horde damage, which hordes are a complete non threat to you as ogryn, so in other words its weak to trappers, and to a lesser degree dogs. If you're good at hearing the spawn sound for trappers, just knock them over and then make space for yourself. If you're not, well you can get stuck in situations where poxwalkers that you kill too slowly block your dodge when you try to dodge on reaction. Better vs dogs because their spawn sound is clear and you can make space for yourself by knocking everything over and backdashing.

[RNG]

Don't listen to anybody who tells you Shield is the best. Unless you want to kill a daemonhost, the shield is by far the worst Ogryn DPS.

Use a cleaver and heavy stubber. Or- any weapon that you get good perks and modifiers for.

[Doomvora]

Shield for melee, your job is to stagger not kill so your ability to cleave is important and the shield prevents you from melting to ranged enemies.

Personally use stubber for ranged (for horde clearing and sniping), but a lot of people swear by the gauntlet. Gauntlet is good for specials at pretty much any roll, stubber requires a good stability and damage roll in order to be useful.

Any weapon can be used effectively given specific rolls and builds, however the easiest entry to higher difficulty will always be Shield + Gauntlet as they require the least effort to play properly and they do not require god rolls to be useful, they're always at least decent.

For the record I have a level 30 Ogryn and it is the main class I play with 170 missions (mostly on Malice and Heresy with a small amount of Damnation).

[Alkaline]

I second the sheild. It's simply the best weapon I've ever used. Hands down.

The damage is admittedly weak, but the staggering power of the sheild heavy attack is top notch. You can knock back entire waves of trash in one attack. To me, it's funny as hell to see. Probably second only to the lightning staff in terms of CC.

You can block ranged attacks allowing you to slowly, but safety cross a gap untouched.

Planting the sheild in the right time and place and a difficult flight can become trivial.


Sheild monkey for life man.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by RNG:

Don't listen to anybody who tells you Shield is the best. Unless you want to kill a daemonhost, the shield is by far the worst Ogryn DPS.

Use a cleaver and heavy stubber. Or- any weapon that you get good perks and modifiers for.

My man doesn't really understand the concept of playing your role.

Two veterans can blow up any threat within seconds, granted the space. So you can waggle around with big-man-dps, amounting to maybe 30% the effectiveness of a single veteran, or you can grant them the space to actually do their job.

[RNG]

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Originally posted by RNG:

Don't listen to anybody who tells you Shield is the best. Unless you want to kill a daemonhost, the shield is by far the worst Ogryn DPS.

Use a cleaver and heavy stubber. Or- any weapon that you get good perks and modifiers for.

My man doesn't really understand the concept of playing your role.

Two veterans can blow up any threat within seconds, granted the space. So you can waggle around with big-man-dps, amounting to maybe 30% the effectiveness of a single veteran, or you can grant them the space to actually do their job.

My role is I have 500 HP and regenerate toughness near teammates.
I have never lost a round of Level 4 Heresy or Level 5 Damnation since abandoning the shield and helping my team, as having the highest DPS, highest stagger, highest HP, highest damage reduction, highest stamina,

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Doomvora:

Shield for melee, your job is to stagger not kill so your ability to cleave is important and the shield prevents you from melting to ranged enemies.

Why is your job to stagger not kill? Its not like you don't have the options. Cleaver is probably the fastest horde clear in the game outside of power sword (and even though it kills slower, you move faster with it so its probably faster against ranged mobs), club is one of the fastest elite killers and can just also stagger stuff, and admittedly I don't like shovel much, but its not because you can't kill stuff with it, its because its nearly as immobile as shield is.

[Snobby Hobo]

Originally posted by RNG:

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

My man doesn't really understand the concept of playing your role.

Two veterans can blow up any threat within seconds, granted the space. So you can waggle around with big-man-dps, amounting to maybe 30% the effectiveness of a single veteran, or you can grant them the space to actually do their job.

My role is I have 500 HP and regenerate toughness near teammates.
I have never lost a round of Level 4 Heresy or Level 5 Damnation since abandoning the shield and helping my team, as having the highest DPS, highest stagger, highest HP, highest damage reduction, highest stamina,

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. 500 hp means squad all on Damnation, pretty much proving you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. An Ogryn that constantly needs to take cover is useless to the team. You cannot remotely compare to the damage your veteran can output, so stop trying to be a sick-MLG-COD-OGRE1! and do your job instead.

If you by sheer luck got carried a few times doesn't mean you are effectively min-maxing. I can win Damnation games too using the Trauma staff, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do I realize I'm a useless wanker and an annoyance to the team.

[Doomvora]

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

Why is your job to stagger not kill? Its not like you don't have the options. Cleaver is probably the fastest horde clear in the game outside of power sword, club is one of the fastest elite killers and can just also stagger stuff. Admittedly I don't like shovel much, but its not because you can't kill stuff with it, its because its nearly as immobile as shield is.

Because other characters kill faster than you do and your stagger is already high due to your passive. It's quite obvious Ogryn is meant to be a stagger machine strictly through their weapon choices and passives. Sure you can use other weapons and do damage which is fine and in some hands much more effective, as I stated everything can be used given the right rolls and builds. But your ability to stagger shines when paired with specific weapons (club, shield, shovel etc).

As an example, on heresy and damnation I can use my shield to CC an entire horde by myself without ever getting hit because of the attack animation the shield has and the amount of stagger I possess on my weapon. Does that mean it's the best? no, however I am stating that it plays into the kit of the Ogryn (doubling down if you will) and allows him to CC everything outside of monstrosities (and mutants obviously) with a hold of a button (or a few clicks depending on the enemy).

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Incredibly average:

Originally posted by RNG:

My role is I have 500 HP and regenerate toughness near teammates.
I have never lost a round of Level 4 Heresy or Level 5 Damnation since abandoning the shield and helping my team, as having the highest DPS, highest stagger, highest HP, highest damage reduction, highest stamina,

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. 500 hp means squad all on Damnation, pretty much proving you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. An Ogryn that constantly needs to take cover is useless to the team. You cannot remotely compare to the damage your veteran can output, so stop trying to be a sick-MLG-COD-OGRE1! and do your job instead.

If you by sheer luck got carried a few times doesn't mean you are effectively min-maxing. I can win Damnation games too using the Trauma staff, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do I realize I'm a useless wanker and an annoyance to the team.

Can people stop with the "you don't actually play the difficulty" arguments. The guy knows whether or not he has played damnation. You cannot convince him otherwise. Stop trying.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Doomvora:

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

Why is your job to stagger not kill? Its not like you don't have the options. Cleaver is probably the fastest horde clear in the game outside of power sword, club is one of the fastest elite killers and can just also stagger stuff. Admittedly I don't like shovel much, but its not because you can't kill stuff with it, its because its nearly as immobile as shield is.

Because other characters kill faster than you do and your stagger is already high due to your passive. It's quite obvious Ogryn is meant to be a stagger machine strictly through their weapon choices and passives. Sure you can use other weapons and do damage which is fine and in some hands much more effective, as I stated everything can be used given the right rolls and builds. But your ability to stagger shines when paired with specific weapons (club, shield, shovel etc).

As an example, on heresy I can use my shield to CC an entire horde by myself without ever getting hit because of the attack animation the shield has and the amount of stagger I possess on my weapon. Does that mean it's the best? no, however I am stating that it plays into the kit of the Ogryn (doubling down if you will) and allows him to CC everything outside of monstrosities (and mutants obviously) with a hold of a button (or a few clicks depending on the enemy).

As you said, your stagger is already high. I can stagger everything with club. It also knocks down hordes, and no matter what weapon you bring melee enemies (not just hordes) do 0 damage to you on heresy. I'm worse with cleaver but it can also stagger most everything (and if we're talking a horde without elites you kill it in like 5 seconds on heresy).

So if I can stagger everything anyways, why not just kill it too? Yeah sure my veteran does more damage than me, but it doesn't hurt the team if I do damage too?

Also a question, what if my veteran sucks? Do I just concede the run is lost? Or do I just go do damage, because I can do that and win the run that way. I mean even with shield you can do that, it just takes a bit longer.

I'm not saying the shield is bad. I think its fine. But its not the end all be all. If your playstyle doesn't suit it, or you just find it boring, you shouldn't use it just because "its your role".

I don't think we're really in a disagreement here. It sounds like we're saying largely the same thing just from opposite angles.

[PwnyHipster]

Maul and Shield. Nuff said.