Having a chaos space marine boss fight isn't exactly off the table imo

[PwnyHipster]

If we can fight a Beast of Nurgle, plague ogryn (regular ogryns are bigger and stronger than regular space marines, they're just slower, less skilled, have way worse aim, and have way worse equipment, and training. Ogryns are even stronger and tougher than Primaris Space Marines.), and a karkin' DAEMONHOST!

I'd say its realistic that we can take on a single chaos space marine. The hardest part would be getting through the power armor with weapons that aren't a Bolter, Plasmagun, Flamer, Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Force Weapon, and Psychic powers.

Edit: Here is a lore description of an Ogryn Bodyguard killing 2 Chaos Space Marines in Terminator Armor single handedly.

"Clattering gunfire erupted from weaponry as the figures stamped heavily through the rubble. They were huge individuals, their armour plate thick and nigh on impervious to harm: Terminators, the enemy’s elite.

Havorn banged on the top of the Chimera.

Havorn’s ogryn bodyguard emerged from the confines of the Chimera and breathed deeply, its eyes narrowing. It stepped protectively in front of the brigadier-general, shielding him from fire with its muscled bulk.

“Go!” he shouted. “Intercept them!'

With that, the Elysian commander pointed the way and the ogryn began loping towards the enemy

The ogryn raised its heavy ripper gun, a thick finger pulling the trigger. Empty shells scattered in its wake. It did not roar or bellow as it charged. Such base, animalistic behaviours had been erased from its simple brainpan, but no amount of augmetics could improve the aim of the ogryn and the bullets from its ripper gun sprayed the area, hitting nothing.

Bolter fire raked towards him, striking the hulking abhuman, who grimaced in pain. Chunks of flesh were torn from its arms and chest, but the three metre creature that dwarfed even the Terminators did not slow. It lowered a shoulder and smashed into one of the enemy, knocking it from its feet. Raising the butt of its heavy ripper gun, the ogryn began caving in the helmet of the fallen warrior, smashing it down onto the prone traitor again and again.



The ogryn roared as it planted its heavy feet and empty shells streamed from its ripper gun as it fired the weapon wildly. The Chimera behind them rotated its turret and multi-laser fire peppered the traitors, cutting several of them down. Only six Chaos Marines reached the brigadier-general’s command group, but it was enough.

This was the end, he thought. An ignominious end to his thirty-seven years within the Imperial Guard, hacked apart by brutal warriors behind his battle lines.

He saw the loyal ogryn fall to the ground with a bestial roar. He wasn’t a sentimental man by any stretch, but he felt pain as his faithful bodyguard fell to the ground, coughing blood from his lungs.

Havorn fired his pistol again and again, and felt the rising pain beneath his hand as the pistol overheated, venting super-heated air. With a snarl, he hurled it to the ground and drew his long bladed combat knife. It had been more than twenty years since it had tasted blood, back in the days when he was a captain of the storm troopers.

Only two of the enemy remained standing and they stalked towards him, wordlessly stepping away from each other to take him from both sides.

Havorn kept his eyes on the foe so as not to attract their attention to the massive form of the ogryn picking itself up behind them, blood running from the wounds on its arms and chest, and spilling from its mouth.

With a roar, the ogryn picked up one of the traitors, one massive hand upon the enemy’s backpack and the other between his legs. It lifted the Chaos Marine high into the air and slammed it head first into the ground, cracking its neck.

The second traitor turned with a snarl and swung its icon two handed into the ogryn’s legs, driving it to its knees. Releasing his grip on the haft of the hateful symbol of Chaos, the Chaos Marine leapt at the ogryn, its long talons extended for the killing blow.

Havorn cried out and surged forwards, but he was too slow and he saw the bodyguard fall, its throat ripped completely out, blood spurting from the fatal wound.

He drove his combat knife through a crack in the traitor’s ceramite back plate, the blade sinking deep. Blood spurted from the wound, burning through Havorn’s leather glove, and the enemy spun, his fist smashing into the brigadier-general’s cheek, shattering the bone.

Pain exploded in his head and he fell back from the force of the blow. He saw the ogryn’s large, mournful eyes as it tried desperately to aid its master before the Chaos Marine reached down and broke its neck with a brutal twist."

[Mr.Zombie]

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The guy in the courthouse is lame, I hope devs remove him and add something actually funny to fight against instead of place med and spam mouse 1.

Considering it's pretty much the exact same dude in the train station assassinate, I'm not holding too high hopes right now.

Yeah, I can't see anything superior to vermintide 2 at launch in terms of content, less weapons (the fact that some are shared make them feel less unique, at least for me) less classes, less maps that feels less unique, less minibosses, only one boss that is basically a mauler with more hp.
The character creation is cool the first 2 minutes you look at it, then you hear the same 2 voice lines every time you play, 3 options weren't enough, I've had a game with 3 psykers and they were all using the same voice, it was so bad.
Not to mention Fatshark attempt to make missions not feel go from A to B failed miserably (not that I don't like it) but it feels like they didn't even tried to come up with some ideas, going to a point and then destroying 3 demonic eyes is not a new mission, it's infected terrain from vermintide 2, going into the coolant zone and placing some coolant is not a repair mission, it's old haunts from vermintide 2.

[Mr.Zombie]

Why isn't there a mission where we are sent patrolling a safe area of the hive city, and then the cultists manage to breach and we have to send them back? I'm not pretending to see 400 civilians running around or something crazy.
You could say that we are not sent patrolling safe areas cause the inquisition uses us as meat to throw at the enemy, ok sure, but this is a point only before you reach lvl 30, then you enter the war band and they even say you that you proved to be a valuable resource.
Why isn't there a mission where you go rescue some loyalist soldiers of the moebian sixth or some other inquisition soldiers that remained trapped behind the enemy lines?
Again, I'm not pretending to use a leman russ tank and go inside the enemy lines, or even see one doing so.
Why isn't there a mission where we help some already fighting soldiers, again, I'm not pretending to have a fight witch 100 soldiers against cultists, something like, disable the heretics defenses and make your allies keep going, they make you feel like the whole ship is populated by 1 psyker, 1 ogryn, 1 Zealot and 1 veteran and they do everything, while every other npc in the enitre game is just a statue we just see 3 soldiers on a terminal playing tetris at the start of some missions, and those 3 guys standing on the bridge.
Again the problem is that the entire game feels again like we are the heroes of the game (which was the case with vermintide) but not this time, are we penal legions, that then turn into inquisition soldiers, or some immortal godly humans that manage to do everything by themselves without the help of litteraly any other soldier of the inquisition, I'm not criticizing the fact the we are able to kill enemies like plague ogryns alone and such, but the fact that the game feels empty, it feels like the whole planet is not exploding because we 4 (the lonely and weak humans in the Warhammer 40k world that need to work together to stay alive, as the writer and Fatshark said multiple times in their threads) are the saviors of the planet.

[Monk]

The daemonhost argument is just stupid, have you seen a chaos sorcerer? No, what we are facing is the very early initial upstart of chaos taking hold on an imperial manufacturing planet.

The daemonhost we see has been created by Bob the local oddball who found an old book, they are shackled heavily and controlled enough that the underequiped rag tag early uprising can control them without being torn to pieces, you know, the guys so weak WE kill in the hundreds and thousands, yet, you think those guys, they managed to get a high level daemon to behave?

Regarding a chaos space marine or plague marine etc.

If one were sighted in the heart of the imperium where they produce warmachines, that's it, our job would be done, they would call in the big guns, plus, how would a lone marine even end up there?

This isn't some back water and there isn't a full blown chaos uprising.

Yes, we could kill an csm, if we could pull it off before we got killed or coming up with a reason for one being there to begin with are two very different things.

You all say we over hype how powerful astartes are, yet your examples of 'normal' people killing them are stories of 1 in billions pulling it off, you seem to just want to go jack off over the thought of we are strong enough to take one out regardless of how daft the story would need to be.

[Replicant Six]

I think what people are forgetting is the most important part... The rule of cool.

It would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BADASS to fight a PLAGUE MARINE as a final boss. I don't care if a plague marine would make mince meat of four guardsmen with lasguns I want to charge one of these suckers and have a royal beat down.

[Hermann|♠|]

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I think what people are forgetting is the most important part... The rule of cool.

It would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BADASS to fight a PLAGUE MARINE as a final boss. I don't care if a plague marine would make mince meat of four guardsmen with lasguns I want to charge one of these suckers and have a royal beat down.

Could be a cool endgame. Fight your way through the last resistance of the rebellion face off a Plague Marine, receive the "royal beat down" you requested and get your character deleted to start all over. Heck you convinced me. Make it so!

[Vahnkiljoy]

Our ogryn do NOT have the bone ead upgrade, there is a voice line where the player says he should get the upgrade.

[Oozy]

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Regarding a chaos space marine or plague marine etc.

If one were sighted in the heart of the imperium where they produce warmachines, that's it, our job would be done, they would call in the big guns, plus, how would a lone marine even end up there?

I mean they could've already called in the big guns but it'll take a while to get here and we were already nearby and enroute as the alpha strike force

[Moonlight Knight]

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Our ogryn do NOT have the bone ead upgrade, there is a voice line where the player says he should get the upgrade.

There's also a voiceline where the Brawler Ogryn (the one voiced by Bardin's VA) mentions thinking makes his implant itchy

[Daliena]

Escrito originalmente por Vahnkiljoy:

Our ogryn do NOT have the bone ead upgrade, there is a voice line where the player says he should get the upgrade.

Depends on the voice set. The middle one (not the Russian bodyguard, or the bully, but I forget what it's called) sometimes goes "Are we lost, or is me bone'ead implant acting up again?"

[Mr.Zombie]

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Escrito originalmente por Vahnkiljoy:

Our ogryn do NOT have the bone ead upgrade, there is a voice line where the player says he should get the upgrade.

Depends on the voice set. The middle one (not the Russian bodyguard, or the bully, but I forget what it's called) sometimes goes "Are we lost, or is me bone'ead implant acting up again?"

So some are bone'ead and one is not? What's the point lol, a normal ogryn acting on his own means you like to tear the lore apart and then use it to clean your dog since it has no influence on the Gameplay.

[Infrasound]

Mkoll has killed how many CSM's, a dreadnaught, a couple of chaos warlords (crusade level warlords), demons and you know this is written by Abnett.

Abnett writes good stuff till he mary sue's the ending of it almost all the time. This won't be any different.

[Hermann|♠|]

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Mkoll has killed how many CSM's, a dreadnaught, a couple of chaos warlords (crusade level warlords), demons and you know this is written by Abnett.

Abnett writes good stuff till he mary sue's the ending of it almost all the time. This won't be any different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EGKszn_vVc

[Daliena]

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Mkoll has killed how many CSM's, a dreadnaught, a couple of chaos warlords (crusade level warlords), demons and you know this is written by Abnett.

Abnett writes good stuff till he mary sue's the ending of it almost all the time. This won't be any different.

Hell, there's (more or less..) in the lore, Sly Marbo. The Catachan dude who has buzzsawed through Chaos Space Marines, Ork Warbosses, Dark Eldar Archons, and even a freakin' Chaos Titan. But nooo, no mortal could ever hope to challenge even the lowest of Chaos Marines, obviously.

[Moonlight Knight]

Escrito originalmente por Daliena:

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Mkoll has killed how many CSM's, a dreadnaught, a couple of chaos warlords (crusade level warlords), demons and you know this is written by Abnett.

Abnett writes good stuff till he mary sue's the ending of it almost all the time. This won't be any different.

Hell, there's (more or less..) in the lore, Sly Marbo. The Catachan dude who has buzzsawed through Chaos Space Marines, Ork Warbosses, Dark Eldar Archons, and even a freakin' Chaos Titan. But nooo, no mortal could ever hope to challenge even the lowest of Chaos Marines, obviously.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The people talking about how insanely badass Space Marines are don't understand action economy. You can be the fastest, most badass ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the universe, you can be fighting back, even fighting back well, but unless your enemies are bunched up in a tight group, you're not gonna kill them all at once.

They make it sound like our guys would be dead instantly before we could even raise a gun at him, but unless he has DBZ-ass Instant Transmission or can shoot four different targets simultaneously, it doesn't mean ♥♥♥♥ against four people that are armed with the kind of weapons that can take a Space Marine down.

[Hermann|♠|]

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Mkoll has killed how many CSM's, a dreadnaught, a couple of chaos warlords (crusade level warlords), demons and you know this is written by Abnett.

Abnett writes good stuff till he mary sue's the ending of it almost all the time. This won't be any different.

Hell, there's (more or less..) in the lore, Sly Marbo. The Catachan dude who has buzzsawed through Chaos Space Marines, Ork Warbosses, Dark Eldar Archons, and even a freakin' Chaos Titan. But nooo, no mortal could ever hope to challenge even the lowest of Chaos Marines, obviously.

The fact that you even consider "Sly F*cking Marbo" a credible source for this argument shows how little you understand the source material.

Sly Marbo is a Myth, a Legend, Propaganda.

The stories of Sly Marbo's exploits have passed from the Catachan Jungle Fighters on to many other regiments of the Astra Militarum, where he has become something of a mythological figure or the central protagonist of a series of tall tales.

The stories of his exploits have grown so outlandish that Astra Militarum command has ordered that repetition of the following anecdotes about Marbo by line troopers is punishable by immediate reassignment as a Gunner Specialist [Plasma], Grade 1.

Sly Marbo threw a grenade and killed five Orks. Then it exploded.
Sly Marbo poked the Warp right in the Eye of Terror.
A Catachan Devil once stung Sly Marbo. After 5 solar days of agonising pain, the Catachan Devil died.
Flak Armour wears Sly Marbo for protection.
Sly Marbo doesn't have a shadow because he scared it off.
When Ambulls go to bed at night, they check their nests for Sly Marbo.
The fastest way to a man's heart is with Sly Marbo's blade.
Sly Marbo once shot down a Dakkajet by pointing at it with his finger and saying "bang!".
Sly Marbo doesn't shower, he takes blood baths.
Lord Castellan Ursarkar E. Creed wears Sly Marbo pyjamas.
If at first you don't succeed, you're not Sly Marbo.
The official name for Exterminatus is Sly Marbo.
Sly Marbo beat a Warlord Titan at arm wrestling.
Sly Marbo hacked a Tyranid Prime to death with its own scything talon.
Sly Marbo can run faster than a Shokkjump Dragsta.
Sly Marbo sleeps with a pillow under his gun.
The Cicatrix Maledictum was created when Sly Marbo sneezed.
The first name engraved in every suit of Adeptus Custodes' armour is Sly Marbo.
Sly Marbo does not sleep. He waits...
Sly Marbo does not go hunting because "hunting" implies the possibility of failure -- Sly Marbo goes killing.
Roboute Guilliman keeps an inspirational pict of Sly Marbo with him at all times.
Sly Marbo won a staring contest with a Necron.