Having a chaos space marine boss fight isn't exactly off the table imo

[PwnyHipster]

If we can fight a Beast of Nurgle, plague ogryn (regular ogryns are bigger and stronger than regular space marines, they're just slower, less skilled, have way worse aim, and have way worse equipment, and training. Ogryns are even stronger and tougher than Primaris Space Marines.), and a karkin' DAEMONHOST!

I'd say its realistic that we can take on a single chaos space marine. The hardest part would be getting through the power armor with weapons that aren't a Bolter, Plasmagun, Flamer, Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Force Weapon, and Psychic powers.

Edit: Here is a lore description of an Ogryn Bodyguard killing 2 Chaos Space Marines in Terminator Armor single handedly.

"Clattering gunfire erupted from weaponry as the figures stamped heavily through the rubble. They were huge individuals, their armour plate thick and nigh on impervious to harm: Terminators, the enemy’s elite.

Havorn banged on the top of the Chimera.

Havorn’s ogryn bodyguard emerged from the confines of the Chimera and breathed deeply, its eyes narrowing. It stepped protectively in front of the brigadier-general, shielding him from fire with its muscled bulk.

“Go!” he shouted. “Intercept them!'

With that, the Elysian commander pointed the way and the ogryn began loping towards the enemy

The ogryn raised its heavy ripper gun, a thick finger pulling the trigger. Empty shells scattered in its wake. It did not roar or bellow as it charged. Such base, animalistic behaviours had been erased from its simple brainpan, but no amount of augmetics could improve the aim of the ogryn and the bullets from its ripper gun sprayed the area, hitting nothing.

Bolter fire raked towards him, striking the hulking abhuman, who grimaced in pain. Chunks of flesh were torn from its arms and chest, but the three metre creature that dwarfed even the Terminators did not slow. It lowered a shoulder and smashed into one of the enemy, knocking it from its feet. Raising the butt of its heavy ripper gun, the ogryn began caving in the helmet of the fallen warrior, smashing it down onto the prone traitor again and again.



The ogryn roared as it planted its heavy feet and empty shells streamed from its ripper gun as it fired the weapon wildly. The Chimera behind them rotated its turret and multi-laser fire peppered the traitors, cutting several of them down. Only six Chaos Marines reached the brigadier-general’s command group, but it was enough.

This was the end, he thought. An ignominious end to his thirty-seven years within the Imperial Guard, hacked apart by brutal warriors behind his battle lines.

He saw the loyal ogryn fall to the ground with a bestial roar. He wasn’t a sentimental man by any stretch, but he felt pain as his faithful bodyguard fell to the ground, coughing blood from his lungs.

Havorn fired his pistol again and again, and felt the rising pain beneath his hand as the pistol overheated, venting super-heated air. With a snarl, he hurled it to the ground and drew his long bladed combat knife. It had been more than twenty years since it had tasted blood, back in the days when he was a captain of the storm troopers.

Only two of the enemy remained standing and they stalked towards him, wordlessly stepping away from each other to take him from both sides.

Havorn kept his eyes on the foe so as not to attract their attention to the massive form of the ogryn picking itself up behind them, blood running from the wounds on its arms and chest, and spilling from its mouth.

With a roar, the ogryn picked up one of the traitors, one massive hand upon the enemy’s backpack and the other between his legs. It lifted the Chaos Marine high into the air and slammed it head first into the ground, cracking its neck.

The second traitor turned with a snarl and swung its icon two handed into the ogryn’s legs, driving it to its knees. Releasing his grip on the haft of the hateful symbol of Chaos, the Chaos Marine leapt at the ogryn, its long talons extended for the killing blow.

Havorn cried out and surged forwards, but he was too slow and he saw the bodyguard fall, its throat ripped completely out, blood spurting from the fatal wound.

He drove his combat knife through a crack in the traitor’s ceramite back plate, the blade sinking deep. Blood spurted from the wound, burning through Havorn’s leather glove, and the enemy spun, his fist smashing into the brigadier-general’s cheek, shattering the bone.

Pain exploded in his head and he fell back from the force of the blow. He saw the ogryn’s large, mournful eyes as it tried desperately to aid its master before the Chaos Marine reached down and broke its neck with a brutal twist."

[Apex Jaggi]

Whether it's realistic or not I feel like it's inevitable that we'll fight a Plague Marine in the future.

[akqpars]

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

If we can fight a Beast of Nurgle, plague ogryn (regular ogryns are bigger and stronger than regular space marines, they're just slower, less skilled, have way worse aim, and have way worse equipment, and training), and a karkin' DAEMONHOST!

I'd say its realistic that we can take on a single chaos space marine. The hardest part would be getting through the power armor armor.

With weapons that aren't a Bolter, Plasmagun, Flamer, Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Force Weapon, and Psychic powers.

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

[Tapo4ekBoga]

Originally posted by akqpars:

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

If we can fight a Beast of Nurgle, plague ogryn (regular ogryns are bigger and stronger than regular space marines, they're just slower, less skilled, have way worse aim, and have way worse equipment, and training), and a karkin' DAEMONHOST!

I'd say its realistic that we can take on a single chaos space marine. The hardest part would be getting through the power armor armor.

With weapons that aren't a Bolter, Plasmagun, Flamer, Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Force Weapon, and Psychic powers.

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

Experienced psykers should have no problem dealing with CSM

[Apex Jaggi]

Originally posted by akqpars:

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

If we can fight a Beast of Nurgle, plague ogryn (regular ogryns are bigger and stronger than regular space marines, they're just slower, less skilled, have way worse aim, and have way worse equipment, and training), and a karkin' DAEMONHOST!

I'd say its realistic that we can take on a single chaos space marine. The hardest part would be getting through the power armor armor.

With weapons that aren't a Bolter, Plasmagun, Flamer, Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Force Weapon, and Psychic powers.

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

Gotta stop worshipping marines like this. They can still die to attacks from skilled opponents and our 4 that have killed thousands of Nurgle worshippers are considerably skilled. Not to mention we have access to bolters (of the same variety used by Adepta Sororitas), chainswords and eviscerators (same as before), plasma guns, thunder hammers, psychic powers and more.

[PwnyHipster]

Originally posted by akqpars:

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

If we can fight a Beast of Nurgle, plague ogryn (regular ogryns are bigger and stronger than regular space marines, they're just slower, less skilled, have way worse aim, and have way worse equipment, and training), and a karkin' DAEMONHOST!

I'd say its realistic that we can take on a single chaos space marine. The hardest part would be getting through the power armor armor.

With weapons that aren't a Bolter, Plasmagun, Flamer, Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, Force Weapon, and Psychic powers.

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

Stop exagerrating. If we can kill a Daemonhost we can certainly kill a Chaos Space Marine. They're strong but stop overhyping them. Hell a Single plasma gun shot should be enough to kill a regular Chaos Space Marine or a well placed bolter shot.

The fact that we can kill a beast of nurgle and a plague ogryn absolutely means we can kill a chaos space marine.

Originally posted by Shyke Wolfe:

Originally posted by akqpars:

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

Gotta stop worshipping marines like this. They can still die to attacks from skilled opponents and our 4 that have killed thousands of Nurgle worshippers are considerably skilled. Not to mention we have access to bolters (of the same variety used by Adepta Sororitas), chainswords and eviscerators (same as before), plasma guns, thunder hammers, psychic powers and more.

Exactly this. A single Ogryn is strong enough to pick up and throw a Space Marine across the room. A single thunder hammer hit would do serious damage to a Space Marine.

[Monk]

You realise the various spawns of chaos we face are very weak variants right?

Even the daemon host is not some all terrifying creature space marines would run into on a planet with a serious chaos infestation.

Remember, we are at the very early stages of finding and fighting the ruinous powers on the planet, its why they are throwing rejects like us at the problem.

If anything serious showed up, they would send in the big guns, well, first, the guard would have a go, who are better equipped, then eventually in a decades time, a chapter if space marines might get involved, at which point, the taint would be on such a level those such as us would stand no chance.

Not to mention, the chaos space marine we'd be fighting would be a plague marine, we would stand no chance!

Edit.

The psyche argument is pointless, there are many levels of psyche, ours is weak.

[Splat ♥]

Originally posted by Monk:

You realise the various spawns of chaos we face are very weak variants right?

Even the daemon host is not some all terrifying creature space marines would run into on a planet with a serious chaos infestation.

Remember, we are at the very early stages of finding and fighting the ruinous powers on the planet, its why they are throwing rejects like us at the problem.

If anything serious showed up, they would send in the big guns, well, first, the guard would have a go, who are better equipped, then eventually in a decades time, a chapter if space marines might get involved, at which point, the taint would be on such a level those such as us would stand no chance.

Not to mention, the chaos space marine we'd be fighting would be a plague marine, we would stand no chance!

Edit.

The psyche argument is pointless, there are many levels of psyche, ours is weak.

What if plot twists games asa service we the strongest that ever was just gonna powrr creep over next decade

[PwnyHipster]

Originally posted by Shyke Wolfe:

Originally posted by akqpars:

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

Gotta stop worshipping marines like this. They can still die to attacks from skilled opponents and our 4 that have killed thousands of Nurgle worshippers are considerably skilled. Not to mention we have access to bolters (of the same variety used by Adepta Sororitas), chainswords and eviscerators (same as before), plasma guns, thunder hammers, psychic powers and more.

Originally posted by Monk:

You realise the various spawns of chaos we face are very weak variants right?

Even the daemon host is not some all terrifying creature space marines would run into on a planet with a serious chaos infestation.

Remember, we are at the very early stages of finding and fighting the ruinous powers on the planet, its why they are throwing rejects like us at the problem.

If anything serious showed up, they would send in the big guns, well, first, the guard would have a go, who are better equipped, then eventually in a decades time, a chapter if space marines might get involved, at which point, the taint would be on such a level those such as us would stand no chance.

Not to mention, the chaos space marine we'd be fighting would be a plague marine, we would stand no chance!

Lmao dude. Daemonhosts are incredibly powerful. A Daemonhost could wreck a Space Marine including Chaos Space Marine.

People need to stop thinking Space Marines are invincible. They're powerful but not as powerful as you're making them out to be.

An Ork nob can kill a Space Marine, our 4 man group can definitively kill an Ork nob. A Beast of Nurgle can kill a Space Marine a plague Ogryn can kill a space marine.

Even if you look at the tabletop stats.

An Ogryn Bone'ead (the Ogryn you can play as) has these stats
Movement 6"
Weapon Skill: 3+
Ballistic Skill: 4+
Strength: 5
Toughness: 5
Wounds: 3
Attacks: 4
Leadership: 8
Save: 5+

While a typical Chaos Space Marine stats are
Movement: 6"
Weapon Skill: 3+
Ballistic Skill: 3+
Strength: 4
Toughness; 4
Wounds: 2
Attacks: 3
Leadership: 8
Save: 3+

Yeah we can take a Space Marine. They would be strong but if we can take an Ogryn in Carapace Armor we can take a normal Chaos Space Marine.

[PwnyHipster]

Originally posted by Monk:

The psyche argument is pointless, there are many levels of psyche, ours is weak.

You're talking out of your butt. The player character Psyker is not weak. I'd say our Psyker is likely Beta Grade. Which is the highest level a human Psyker that isn't Mephiston, a Primarch or the Emperor can be while still being considered sane.

Beta grade Psykers can definitely kill a Chaos Space Marine.

[Raineh Daze]

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

Originally posted by Monk:

The psyche argument is pointless, there are many levels of psyche, ours is weak.

You're talking out of your butt. The player character Psyker is not weak. I'd say our Psyker is likely Beta Grade. Which is the highest level a human Psyker that isn't Mephiston, a Primarch or the Emperor can be while still being considered sane.

Beta grade Psykers can definitely kill a Chaos Space Marine.

of course, whether our psyker is sane or not is very up for discussion depending on the voice

[PwnyHipster]

Originally posted by Raineh Daze:

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

You're talking out of your butt. The player character Psyker is not weak. I'd say our Psyker is likely Beta Grade. Which is the highest level a human Psyker that isn't Mephiston, a Primarch or the Emperor can be while still being considered sane.

Beta grade Psykers can definitely kill a Chaos Space Marine.

of course, whether our psyker is sane or not is very up for discussion depending on the voice

I'd say Psyker Loner (my main (female of course, I can't stand the male Psyker loner)), and Savant are perfectly sane.

Dreamer is only somewhat sane.

[Xarko]

The assassination mission could easily have chaos marine as the boss and it wouldn't even feel out of place gameplay wise.

He's slow walking like a chad and tanky, sometimes charges with melee. Switches between strong ranged and melee attacks. Strong enough to push you away long distance. Requires lot of force and fire power to take down. All that fits a space marine like a glove. The only problem is the lore perspective.

[OnlyPugs.com]

Originally posted by PoniBeatnik:

Originally posted by akqpars:

Our whole battleship fighting a single chaos space marine can maybe a fair fight, not 4 ants in jumpsuits.

Stop exagerrating. If we can kill a Daemonhost we can certainly kill a Chaos Space Marine. They're strong but stop overhyping them. Hell a Single plasma gun shot should be enough to kill a regular Chaos Space Marine or a well placed bolter shot.

The fact that we can kill a beast of nurgle and a plague ogryn absolutely means we can kill a chaos space marine.

Originally posted by Shyke Wolfe:

Gotta stop worshipping marines like this. They can still die to attacks from skilled opponents and our 4 that have killed thousands of Nurgle worshippers are considerably skilled. Not to mention we have access to bolters (of the same variety used by Adepta Sororitas), chainswords and eviscerators (same as before), plasma guns, thunder hammers, psychic powers and more.

Exactly this. A single Ogryn is strong enough to pick up and throw a Space Marine across the room. A single thunder hammer hit would do serious damage to a Space Marine.

People who exargte marines to this extent (thinking 1 plague marine could solo an entire ship) have never actually read any 40k books or played tabletop. Go read Armageddon and you will see lots of Space Marines dying to basic orks, nevermind Ork nobs. Space Marines are awesome and they are crazy powerful but unless your'e a named Space Marine protected by plot armour you die just like anything else.

More importantly it's cool to play against and isn't stretching the lore that far.
V2 stretched things way further. 5 mooks using normal gear were able to take on endless horders of rats and rotmen. They killed Chaos Warriors by the dozens. Killed trolls. chaos spawn and rat ogres. Even powerful enemy lords like Chaos sorcerers. If you were being super lore strict then realistically 5 no bodies should not have been able to accomplish 1/3 of what they did. But it was awesome to play and it didn't really break the lore in any big or meaningful way. Warhammer has always been about putting the "rule of cool" first and lore/logic second

[Monk]

Table top numbers do not equate to lore performance.

If you think this scrappy band of start up cultists have managed to summon any kind of scary demon without being wiped out by it already, then you need to go do some reading on daemon hosts.

No, our psychers are not all that powerful, maybe for humans they are getting up there, but in the setting, they are very much small fry and not even close to the level of say a librarian etc.

That you were not put immidietly to death once imprisoned kind of suggests their level of power in the setting.

[Mr_Pennywise]

i am shore they said that there will be NO marine's in this game ?
i would like to see one but it is unlikely