Character creation was a mistake imho

[Crescendo]

Now now, calm yourself, before you ready your hands to engage in holy fury. I wanna make clear, that this is my opinion, and if you do not agree with it, fine. You do you.

However, one of the things that I greatly enjoyed in Vermintide were the character interactions. They, worked, because the characters were fleshed out, and the dialogue captured their quirks pretty well. This created a situation of unlikely allies, that do not really like each other, but learned to work with each other and make the best out of it. They all had a certain charm around them, and the more you played, the more you realise how memorable they are and how they clash with each other

Fast forward to Darktide: We play a no-name character, thats gets thrown into missions with other no-name characters. Here, they do stuff that only expendable meatsacks can be bothered to be tasked with.
I know, this fits the setting, but I take issue with it. I just don't feel anything towards the characters we play, and while one might argue, that this is not the main selling point of a game like Darktide anyway, I surely miss the charm of the Vermintide banter.

[Bishop]

I am highly invested in my lvl 30 zealot and veteran. They are heroes, and they are heroes of my making.

[Jabberwock]

I'm on the same boat, miss the charm/character development/story development that happened through dialogue in VT2. It really built the world up and made it feel lived in. Instead DT feels sterile.

[Xarko]

You can add more backstory to your character yourself. Maybe it's the years I spent playing DnD, but based on those few backstory points I can see my ogryn's entire life. He's been through some ♥♥♥♥. I like the guy.

I love Krubersreik 5, and yes the banter will never be as good as in VT, but the fact that I could make my ogryn myself makes me like him more than them actually. It's just like creating a character in any RPG game. Use your fantasy.

[n00bonastick]

i'm honestly fine with that.
it's the suicide squad. not the justice league.
you're not supposed to give a flying ♥♥♥♥ about your ally because they're convicts like you.
what makes them so special? nothing.
they're not supposed to be. they're in a tyrannical faction who obsesses a holy being.
so they make the most of it by surviving missions and banter with each other when they feel like it.

on the other side of things. i get it. VT2 had interesting conversations.
they're a group of misfits themselves but they actually are a specific group that got together to save all of that .. mumbo jumbo fantasy with their special unicorn. it's very PG.

it's a very different world with a very different situational setting.
not every hero rides a bloody unicorn.
some come from a prison cell.

[Red_Theory]

Wasn't as impactful as I was hoping. Dialogue feels very generic

[Imperious Rex]

The REAL problem is that they promised distinct character personalities for each voice and they were to be influenced further by background choices.

Fast Forward to release: Background choice only influence on your character is what color their starting outfit is.

I can tell you right now that despite having Abnett and Ward writing the story and dialogue they committee'd the ♥♥♥♥ out of the writing, not a single soul stood up to try and create a unique narrative for each character voice and personality and just kept their head down to get their paycheck while the GW marines had their laser-sights one them, they had zoom meetings on top of zoom meetings on top of some rare in-house meeting for finalization making sure they played it all as safe and harmless as they could so Twitter wouldn't diarrhea dump all over them for anything that could be construed as rightwing or alt-right adjacent and made sure it got approved by some board of suits.

So now you have "What do you think about our pilot?" and "Wow it sure is bad here in the slums" after some random wiki lore entry that one of the four character's randomly brings up.

[GRRz|Snake]

if the game didn't had character creation... it would've had half the sales..

character creation is half the fun in progression/loot/RPG games in general.

[Jabberwock]

Originally posted by Xarko:

You can add more backstory to your character yourself. Maybe it's the years I spent playing DnD, but based on those few backstory points I can see my ogryn's entire life. He's been through some ♥♥♥♥. I like the guy.

I love Krubersreik 5, and yes the banter will never be as good as in VT, but the fact that I could made my ogryn myself makes me like him more than them actually. It's just like creating a character in any RPG game. Use your fantasy.

They could make up for it by adding dialog in game relating to backstory to help bring these characters backstories to life. Currently it changes your prison outfit color and gives you a few unique visual choices like eye color based on homeworld. Currently I don't even remember my Zealot/Ogryn's backstory and I haven't found a way to look at an info sheet to see it. That's how memorable those choices were to me.

Problem is that is a metric ton of dialogue to add for all the variations and I don't think they want to invest that kind of effort in.

Originally posted by GRRz|Snake:

if the game didn't had character creation... it would've had half the sales..

character creation is half the fun in progression/loot/RPG games in general.

That's...just not even close to being true lol.

[Crescendo]

Originally posted by Xarko:

You can add more backstory to your character yourself. Maybe it's the years I spent playing DnD, but based on those few backstory points I can see my ogryn's entire life. He's been through some ♥♥♥♥. I like the guy.

I love Krubersreik 5, and yes the banter will never be as good as in VT, but the fact that I could made my ogryn myself makes me like him more than them actually. It's just like creating a character in any RPG game. Use your fantasy.

I can get behind that sentiment. And I really do not want to take away from your enjoyment.
All I have to say is, that I do not manage to get the same enjoyment out of a story that purely exists in my head, and my head alone. When playing PnP, it's another thing, as you are playing with other pesons who all engage in the roleplaying fantasy, with semi-free decison making while not being railroaded into slaying hordes after hordes.

[Crescendo]

Originally posted by GRRz|Snake:

if the game didn't had character creation... it would've had half the sales..

I heavily doubt that.

[ArmstrongDicksmasher]

character creation was fine, MOST of the ideas Fatshark have cooked up were fine, in theory, its their delivery that has largely been a disaster.

[Butch]

F off back to vermintide then.

[GRRz|Snake]

Originally posted by Jabberwock:

Originally posted by Xarko:

You can add more backstory to your character yourself. Maybe it's the years I spent playing DnD, but based on those few backstory points I can see my ogryn's entire life. He's been through some ♥♥♥♥. I like the guy.

I love Krubersreik 5, and yes the banter will never be as good as in VT, but the fact that I could made my ogryn myself makes me like him more than them actually. It's just like creating a character in any RPG game. Use your fantasy.

They could make up for it by adding dialog in game relating to backstory to help bring these characters backstories to life. Currently it changes your prison outfit color and gives you a few unique visual choices like eye color based on homeworld. Currently I don't even remember my Zealot/Ogryn's backstory and I haven't found a way to look at an info sheet to see it. That's how memorable those choices were to me.

Problem is that is a metric ton of dialogue to add for all the variations and I don't think they want to invest that kind of effort in.

Originally posted by GRRz|Snake:

if the game didn't had character creation... it would've had half the sales..

character creation is half the fun in progression/loot/RPG games in general.

That's...just not even close to being true lol.

It's the truth... numbers don't lie... and there are many articles out there talking about it, people prefer having their own character over already made up ones...

that's why you see character creation in most games nowadays... it's what most people prefer.

[GRRz|Snake]

Originally posted by Crescendo:

Originally posted by GRRz|Snake:

if the game didn't had character creation... it would've had half the sales..

I heavily doubt that.

you can doubt all you want... it's the truth.

otherwise they would've stayed with the characters of the trailer.

the majority of players prefer character creation... end of story.

[Crescendo]

Originally posted by GRRz|Snake:

Originally posted by Crescendo:

I heavily doubt that.

you can doubt all you want... it's the truth.

otherwise they would've stayed with the characters of the trailer.

the majority of players prefer character creation... end of story.

Who am I to argue with such flawless proof of your claim? [/s]