chain sword problem

[PaLkan]

What's the point guys? Seriously.
Class weapons (eviscerators, for example) are incredibly powerful.
Or a bolter.
Do you think the developer will balance other weapons so that they are viable in high-and-content

[Xirce]

I have used the chainsword on veteran and zealot and it's very good.
I used the eviscerator for quite a while on zealot and it... seemed kind of worse than the chainsword?

[KILLMASTER]

Chainsword would be awesome if there wasn't an animation to rev it and enemies didn't smack you while you were sawing someone in half.

[Calv]

It has many points, they can be hard to see when it is revved to full speed though.

[pi73r]

Wut? Chainsword is probably the best weapon for a zealot. Eviscerator is too slow to even compete.
Im saying this as vt2 cata+ player who's already doing damnation np as zealot main.

[Mulqueeny]

Erm... the chain sword is awesome and also really satisfying.

[Drokk]

Honestly my biggest gripe with it is the lack of gibs. With the evicerator, the heavy attacks rev the chain and you can cut people in half. The chainsword still feels like I'm bonking people with it, rather than cutting them with it.

[My Killer Shack]

Originally posted by PaLkan:

What's the point guys? Seriously.
Class weapons (eviscerators, for example) are incredibly powerful.
Or a bolter.
Do you think the developer will balance other weapons so that they are viable in high-and-content

class specific weapons should be better then global weapons...

[My Killer Shack]

Originally posted by pi73r:

Wut? Chainsword is probably the best weapon for a zealot. Eviscerator is too slow to even compete.
Im saying this as vt2 cata+ player who's already dpimg damnation np.

IDK, even in the 4th difficulty I prefer the eviscerator

Heavy first swing into a light second swing is great for cleaving

[pi73r]

Originally posted by My Killer Shack:

Originally posted by pi73r:

Wut? Chainsword is probably the best weapon for a zealot. Eviscerator is too slow to even compete.
Im saying this as vt2 cata+ player who's already dpimg damnation np.

IDK, even in the 4th difficulty I prefer the eviscerator

Heavy first swing into a light second swing is great for cleaving

So the reason the normal chain is better are = fast attack speed, superior attack pattern, great combined with zealot talents, good for holding hordes (though you don't really need this or cleave since there are other tools for that) and great special that let's you kill elites fast. The only reason why'd you want to use eviscerator is dmg but chainsword special evens em out in that regard and then you've got all the advantages.

[Spoonie]

I have to give some leeway to the developers, as we're still just coming up on full release. But it definitely seems like there's a pretty wide gap in some of the equipment. I don't even necessarily feel like it's a numbers problem either, though. Some of the equipment just *does stuff* and the rest... doesn't. I've really only played Zealot and Ogryn, so I'll have to use their examples.

Just from equipping a melee weapon, you're gonna expect to be able to wipe out random spawns while moving and maybe heavy attack to cleave through some guys in a horde, so I'll mainly compare to that baseline. The regular sword gets the job done, and the special attack that's kinda neat, but basically equates to a slightly different attack. The heavy sword has some better cleave and a special attack that's a slightly different attack. The knife is... whatever, some single target garbage. The axe is also kind of single target garbage, but I was forced to use it for awhile - compared to the swords it's noticeably better against armored single targets, but worse in a crowd. At this point in leveling everything kinda makes sense and has it's own sense of balance, similar situation for the Ogryn when your only options are the shovel, knife, or club.

But, everything after that kinda feels like you're done with the 'starter weapons'. The chainsword and chainaxe are basically just the same as their regular counterparts, but instead of a special attack you have to google to figure out what it actually does, they have a *savagely* damaging single target attack at the expense of a little animation time to deal the damage. You can do all the same stuff as before, but also get to just delete melee specials left and right, and savage bosses and monsters. The eviscerator is the same thing for heavy swords, with the addition of the moveset going from 'fine' to 'basically perfect'. On the Ogryn side the one standout was the slab shield. At the end of the day it's in the vicinity of 'comparable to all the rest' but can block ranged attacks inherently and the special *makes you invunerable*. That just doesn't compare to punching somebody in the gut for pressing the same button, I'm sorry.

So I definitely feel you. I'm hopeful they can get it to the point where there's at least some meaningful options, but yeah as it feels right now, I have a hard time finding a reason to use anything but an Eviscerator or Slab Shield on those two.

[Spoonie]

Originally posted by My Killer Shack:

Originally posted by pi73r:

Wut? Chainsword is probably the best weapon for a zealot. Eviscerator is too slow to even compete.
Im saying this as vt2 cata+ player who's already dpimg damnation np.

IDK, even in the 4th difficulty I prefer the eviscerator

Heavy first swing into a light second swing is great for cleaving

I have to agree, the Heavy>Light attack chain and the Shove Attack also being a brutal horizontal cleave more than make up for the windup time for me. And yeah, stats aside, the Eviscerator just *feels* more satisfying to use. The resistance and saw noises when you're hacking through zombies is just chef's kiss. :D

[Caramel_Clown]

What are you talking about. Chain sword is fantastic.

[Darth_Angeal]

Broken weapons should be nerfed, not the other way round. There is no reason players should be able to clear heresy / damnation cause of broken stats instead of skill.
Some weapons need buffs yeah, but stuff like powersword, bolter, chainsword etc need nerfs.

[Riqcrow]

chainweapons are like in the lore. less powerful that powerswords or -axes, but still usable. Power-weapons are good, definitely. Soulless? yes. Chainweapons on the other hand sound great when you cleave a screaming heretic in twain. chainaxes and chainswords are my dip into the W40k atmosphere, those tools get the fragging job done. there is no dps meter or end scoreboard so nobody will judge you for taking your time and revving that bad boy up before smashing it into the midriff of a mutant and eviscerate the bugger. The revving chainblade, soaked in the blood of the mutant and the heretic, is the loudest hymn for the Emperor!