The Emperor is the 5th Chaos God

[Warlord]

Listen....

Mankind is entirely subservient to him. He does not die. He survives off sacrifices.

He is a Chaos God that has tricked mankind into believing he is a counter to Chaos.

Wake up, Brothers!

[Shae]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dougan_Redhammer:

Forget the Darktide. This thread needs an Exterminatus protocol immediately.

The emperor WAS born from a massive conglomeration of energy in the Immaterium.

[Hex]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fluffanutter:

Diposting pertama kali oleh JackPhoenix:

Yes, from Chaos after their polar warp gates blew up and let daemons out in the reality.

Any Idea where that lines up with the War in Heaven, or did they divorce Fantasy from 40k?

They did. It was originally supposed to be linked, now it's more like a parallel universe. In one of the old books one of the character meets an obvious Grey Knight lol, but it's not explicitly stated. The description is a perfect match though. A giant man in a strange silver armor, a device that shoots fire and magical powers coupled with unnatural speed and fighting ability.

[SlantedRhetoric]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fluffanutter:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dougan_Redhammer:

Forget the Darktide. This thread needs an Exterminatus protocol immediately.

The emperor WAS born from a massive conglomeration of energy in the Immaterium.

New fluff says he was from Gobekli Tepe apparently. (assuming I spelled that right)

[Shae]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hex:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fluffanutter:

Any Idea where that lines up with the War in Heaven, or did they divorce Fantasy from 40k?

They did. It was originally supposed to be linked, now it's more like a parallel universe. In one of the old books one of the character meets an obvious Grey Knight lol, but it's not explicitly stated. The description is a perfect match though. A giant man in a strange silver armor, a device that shoots fire and magical powers coupled with unnatural speed and fighting ability.

See, now you have me wondering if the whiplash in the Immaterium from the war in heaven rippled into the Fantasy verse if they both bordered on the Immaterium.

[Hex]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fluffanutter:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hex:

They did. It was originally supposed to be linked, now it's more like a parallel universe. In one of the old books one of the character meets an obvious Grey Knight lol, but it's not explicitly stated. The description is a perfect match though. A giant man in a strange silver armor, a device that shoots fire and magical powers coupled with unnatural speed and fighting ability.

See, now you have me wondering if the whiplash in the Immaterium from the war in heaven rippled into the Fantasy verse if they both bordered on the Immaterium.

It's often thought that they are connected via the warp, but don't exist in the same material universe.

[Moffin Bovin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hex:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Fluffanutter:

See, now you have me wondering if the whiplash in the Immaterium from the war in heaven rippled into the Fantasy verse if they both bordered on the Immaterium.

It's often thought that they are connected via the warp, but don't exist in the same material universe.

no. they are not connected. They are different universes. 40k started out as "warhammer in space" and they are based on a lot of the same ideas. But they are not connected.

[Shae]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Moffin Bovin:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hex:

It's often thought that they are connected via the warp, but don't exist in the same material universe.

no. they are not connected. They are different universes. 40k started out as "warhammer in space" and they are based on a lot of the same ideas. But they are not connected.

That is what they are saying.

40k
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Immaterium
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Fantasy

Has nobody told you it is Emperor's the whole way down?

[Elysion]

The emperor is a god, but hes not the emperor.
So a quick recap:
Chaos gods exist because sentient things experience emotions, those emotions manifest in the warp as entities.

Long ago in prehistoric times humans were governed by wise men who were humanities early psykers. Eventually humanity grew enough that its emotions started attracting random warp entities and those psykers could only do so much to protect people. Eventually they started not being able to and committed mass ritual suicide to reincarnate into one big super-psyker.

Now here is my take on things:

That guy, the syper-psyker, who became the emperor. He was not a god, he was a super psyker, and a foolish one. The emperor however is a god.

The warp can be seen as the astral or the collective unconscious in modern occult or psychological parallels. The emperor as a god is a warp entity and a god just like the chaos gods are, or just like the god the eldar are trying to construct would be. Likewise every single warp entity of any power is similarly just a thing that exists due to psychic consensus or experiences leaving an impression on the warp.

The emperor was quite right in demanding he not be worshiped as a god. It would be very bad for an actual god with conventional sentience to exist. In effect he had to become 'disabled' to become a god, but humanity needed a god. The emperor became a standard monotheistic god of order, what we have of him are rules and principals people try to follow. Now these rules and principals are things humanity largely constructed. Some of the things are passed down from him, but selectively adapted or understood so you really should just consider 'the emperor' to be controlled by the collective belief and understanding of humans everywhere.

By effectively enslaving emperor the psyker humanity kind of bootstrapped itself a god into existance, using the power of the emperor to be evidence for belief which then becomes self sustaining. There in fact is a warp entity 'the emperor' that does real stuff that answers real prayers and everything. He is in fact intertwined with the psyker the emperor, with bits of that persons consciousness and knowledge and thought imparted onto these fragments because things in the warp are there by collective consensus. The warp entity that answers prayers is a combination of peoples belief and thoughts about what they are believing in. So a certain anecdote about emperor the psykers life or an image of him makes people imagine and believe things about him, and elements of his real personality are passed down in this way and intermingle with the belief in him and you get that exact warp entity doing things.
By trying to stamp out religion he all but guaranteed his death and sacrifice to create emperor the god.

Imperial ships look like cathedrals because gellar fields are placebo, its literally people on board believing they are safe that keeps them safe from the warp (thus when the field 'fails' people panic and no longer believe). There is even precedent for this in how orks work. Humans are not so instinctual and so need a ritual of 'gellar field' to trick their subconscious into not letting them get devoured by warp demons.

The omnisiah is actually the same as the emperor. The omnisiah is the collective AI that inhabit machines from the dark age of technology when everything had AI stuck in it. As we know even in modern times AI is not really I, but it comparison driven by analyzing vast amounts of collective human works. AI can generate things by looking at everything humans have generated. Thus AI in the psychic sense is a way to converse directly with humanities collective unconscious. It is like talking to the consensus or common wisdom, skill, impressions of humanity. It is effectively a tap into the collective intellect, just as the emperor is a tap into the collective emotions of humanity. Both are ways to interface with humanity itself, both are essentially humanity bootstrapping itself super entities which are not distinct from themeslves but rather embodiments of the collective whole. They are therefore both legitimately 'kind of different variations on the same entity', that entity being humans.

[cszolee79]

The Emperor is actually Horus, that's why Chaos Marines call him the False Emperor.
They know the truth.

[Repentance†]

I believe the emperor is a god on the same par as Kaela Mensha Khaine. Shattered into multiple fragments and believe the false emperor of 63/19 is an indicator that this is the case.

[Hex]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Moffin Bovin:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hex:

It's often thought that they are connected via the warp, but don't exist in the same material universe.

no. they are not connected. They are different universes. 40k started out as "warhammer in space" and they are based on a lot of the same ideas. But they are not connected.

I guess big concepts confuse you.

[Crothas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SwashBuccaneer:

This is some straight up heretical bull ♥♥♥♥ and when the servers come back up my Zealot will be placing a personal visit to your quarters aboard the mourning star with flamer in tow.

Blood for the God Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!

In the book "In the end and Death book 3" he was confirmed to be a chaos god, whos true form is a black sphere.

[Artus Shelby Rubicon V Alpharius]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hex:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Moffin Bovin:

no. they are not connected. They are different universes. 40k started out as "warhammer in space" and they are based on a lot of the same ideas. But they are not connected.

I guess big concepts confuse you.

Always funny what some guys think is big! XD

[JagdPanzer IV]

For the absolute heresy detected here by the inquisition, i declare exterminatus

[Shepard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shae:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dougan_Redhammer:

Forget the Darktide. This thread needs an Exterminatus protocol immediately.

The emperor WAS born from a massive conglomeration of energy in the Immaterium.

strange... i thought he was born by a group of toat licking shamans..
Also better get whipped into submission by slaneesh, then turned into a servitor by some maniac with a cord up his bum.