The Agripina Autogun

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

It is a heavyhitter yes, but why use it when it's ass to aim with? I can go with a laspistol instead and get better aim and better damage output as well cuz I can actually aim it. I seriously hope the gun can by release, get some sort of a better-than-iron-sights aim.
Otherwise, why get IT when you can get the other that you can brace and hipfire with MORE ammo?

[FkYoSht]

this. The hipfire accuracy is nice but useless past 50ft. needs acog.

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

Originally posted by FkYoSht:

this. The hipfire accuracy is nice but useless past 50ft. needs acog.

GLad im not the only one seeing issues with the gun. Or it just needs much less of a recoil. cuz it's about as useful as a lasgun at singleshot, but less accurate due to ironsights.

[Katitoff]

In case you missed it, we will be getting some kind of weapon modding, the whole techpriest post and very obvious stations for players to use is a giveaway, for ranged it might be more then just rerolling stats.

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

In case you missed it, we will be getting some kind of weapon modding, the whole techpriest post and very obvious stations for players to use is a giveaway, for ranged it might be more then just rerolling stats.

Fair, it's just startlingly horrid to use compared to... any other weapon.
Except maybe for the twohanded sword which feels weak as hell for some reason.

[Dr.Xance]

Imagine making a gun that works for everything. What´s the point of the rest of the guns then? :o

[Angry Obnoxious Goose]

Originally posted by Dr.Xance:

Imagine making a gun that works for everything. What´s the point of the rest of the guns then? :o

Well maybe have autoguns and such slug-weapons have actual stopping power where as lasguns do more overall damage by comparison? that'd make a heavyhitting slugthrower work well against elites, but maybe not do tons of damage.

[Don Montega]

What exact variant of the Agripina autogun are you referring to when you say it is hard to aim?
'Cuz i mained an Agrippi Infantry Autogun for 20 levels straight and made sure it had good damage and stability, especially the latter which reduces sway and recoil very much.
Infantry variant btw, is always full auto but has a slower, manageable RoF allowing for 1 tapping in ADS

Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:

Originally posted by Dr.Xance:

Imagine making a gun that works for everything. What´s the point of the rest of the guns then? :o

Well maybe have autoguns and such slug-weapons have actual stopping power where as lasguns do more overall damage by comparison? that'd make a heavyhitting slugthrower work well against elites, but maybe not do tons of damage.

Not only do autoguns, shotguns, the revolver and bolters all have a "stopping power" value, which determines how much they stagger and flich a hit enemy, they also do "collateral" which is penetrating the first target and hitting the one behind it, dealing the rest of the dmg.
This collateral always happens when you deal enough dmg to kill target 1 but have excess dmg to deal.

[Shaxton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_qpiwHwiMI

[Gaugamela]

I'm currently farming damnation on zealot, ogryn and veteran, well when I still bothered to play the game last, when I thought they'd deliver on their promises.

I use Agrippina on my veteran most of the time and I think those that complain about it try to use every weapon with the same playstyle and then wonder why it doesn't work. When I use it on damnation difficulty, I go Infront of the team and tank and kill all the small ranged mobs, while tanking all ranged damage, without the precision fire wearing off until they're all dead. And those mobs are the biggest problem on damnation for most teams. That gun is great if you can tell that it's not supposed to be used in the same way as the bolter etc.

[DLCI]

Originally posted by Phoenix Legacy:

Otherwise, why get IT when you can get the other that you can brace and hipfire with MORE ammo?

I am interpreting your post to mean that you are questioning why you would use the aggripina MK I "infantry" autogun as opposed to the aggripina MK VIII "braced" autogun.

I hope this is correct.

Although this is a post brought back from several months back, I think it is still helpful to make a distinction between the two guns.

The only real reason you would choose the infantry autogun over the similarly named braced autogun would be that the infantry autogun does significantly more weakspot and critical hit damage.

The braced autogun variant does more damage per shot with a higher rate of fire, has more ammo, is arguably more accurate when used in hipfire mode, and most importantly, has a strong suppression effect when firing at ranged enemies.

What it lacks, however, is scaled damage potential. Weakspot hits and critical hits do not add much damage to a braced autogun shot.

For comparison:

• A bodyshot vs. unarmored on an 80% attribute MK VIII braced auotgun does 180 damage. Either a critical hit or weakspot hit (headshot) does 207 damage, which is only +15% extra damage. A critical weakspot hit is 225 damage, which is only +25% extra damage.
  
  
• A bodyshot vs. unarmored on an 80% attribute MK I infantry auotgun does 152 damage. A weakspot hit does 396 damage, which is +160% extra damage. A critical hit is 335 damage, which +120% extra damage. A critical weakspot hit is 457 damage, which is +200% extra damage.
  
  
  This means that the infantry autogun has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher damage ceiling when compared to the braced version. At least, on paper.
  
  In practice, a lot of this extra conditional damage becomes entirely meaningless since you can stack perk bonuses on either gun in order to drop 250-350 hp ranged enemies in a single shot.
  
  If you can reach the 350 hp breakpoint for damnation dreg shooters, the MK VIII braced autogun tends to outperform almost anything else as a strictly anti-ranged weapon.