Dear Psykers

[My Killer Shack]

I dont know if you know this but your head pop ability is not what you should be using during a horde on random normal enemies. use your gun or staff or melee weapon even.

Thank you.

(Honestly im seeing so many psykers just using head pop during hordes on random zombies... I know this because I see their heads glow blue...)

[Tomatokek]

Honestly, more experienced players are popping heads of random trash mobs to keep warp charges up for extra damage. lol Play the class before you trash the gameplay style.

[Incomparable Groan]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Tarnished and Maidenless:

I mean, all I can say is that I disagree.

If you're up to difficulty 4, then I assume you've hit level 30?

At that point you should have Kinetic Barrage. Why wouldn't you go for the cooldown so you can burst more often?

Not to mention, I'd argue on higher difficulties being able to take out a lot of specials quickly is more important than cleaving through dregs. Especially if you're the team's only Psyker.

If you have alot of trolling Sharpshooters in team trying to brain burst specialists is close to useless. They aim the specialist you try to burst and before you are done they are dead.

That's what the kinetic barrage is for.

[bcovington777]

I main as a psyker, and it drives me crazy how often other psykers I run with use the head pop when they shouldn't. Its great for specials especially when they're across the map from you. But there's ZERO reason to use the head pop when you're surrounded by a hoard.

[Muscarine]

Originally posted by bcovington777:

I main as a psyker, and it drives me crazy how often other psykers I run with use the head pop when they shouldn't. Its great for specials especially when they're across the map from you. But there's ZERO reason to use the head pop when you're surrounded by a hoard.

Sometimes you get unlucky with the only good feat in that line that gives you 4% on enemy death to get a warp stack

That's when you will see me proc a BB on a random trash mob

Warp stacks need a rework, and we also need a big feats balance overhaul because right now you have the choice between garbage, trash, and slightly better than piss

[bcovington777]

Originally posted by Tomato:

Honestly, more experienced players are popping heads of random trash mobs to keep warp charges up for extra damage. lol Play the class before you trash the gameplay style.

It is good for keeping extra damage up, but when you're all surrounded by a hoard, an attack with a 3 second charge-up to kill one zombie that a single hit from your sword could kill in 0.3 seconds isn't worth the extra damage you get from a single warp charge.
His complaint isn't about people using head pop, its people using it at bad times.

Originally posted by My Killer Shack:

I dont know if you know this but your head pop ability is not what you should be using during a horde on random normal enemies.

^during a horde

[A Good Joe]

I've seen high level play and head pop is bread and butter. You should play the class before making a thread.

[Edgezhero]

I'm going to play both sides since I main Psyker:

To your point:
Psyker's should honestly be getting these stacks up outside of hordes. There are enough random enemies sprinkled around the map that the other three players could handle, as well as enough specials you can catch and one/two pop that you should be able to maintain max stacks until an actual horde. Then, you go all out with your melee/ranged-staff until the hordes over. You may lose your max stacks, but then you build them back up with the randos throughout the stage.

Against your point:
Maintaining max warp stacks is not easy. I know I just made it sound easy, but it's really not as easy as I make it out to be. If the party has multiple psykers, then it becomes increasingly difficult as every single psyker is looking to pop everything that comes into view. Warp Stacks last 25 or so seconds, which isn't much time in-between transition periods when you're waiting for elevators, scans, etc. And sometimes there are times where a horde catches you just right where your stacks just expired. A lot of the staves secondary fire cannot horde wipe without the max warp stacks at T3 or higher missions, which require multiple uses which is hard since after the Psyker nerf that increases peril across the board.

Neutral for the sake of pointing out:
There are also a lot of newer players that just see the magic class and want to play. When I first started playing Vermintide and Vermintide 2 so many new players wanted to play the mage class only to have no idea how to manage the winds of magic (Vermintide's version of peril). It's a new game, and yes many of the Vermintide players have migrated over, but because this is set in the 40k world there are also a lot of new-new players. So give them a break. If you have a mic, teach them (if you know what you yourself are talking about). Sometimes you just gotta take the L on someone in your party not knowing what they are doing and try to figure out what you can do to make up for it. It's a multiplayer game with different skill levels that aren't considered when matchmaking, so you just have to take it for what it is.

TLDR; Leave the Psykers alone or they'll burst your head. Everyone just love everyone. Glory to the Emperor

[Silhouette]

If a psyker’s low level it’s fine if they mainly use Brain Burst.

It lets the other classes have better access to the ammo, and they’re too squishy to jump into melee.

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by bcovington777:

I main as a psyker, and it drives me crazy how often other psykers I run with use the head pop when they shouldn't. Its great for specials especially when they're across the map from you. But there's ZERO reason to use the head pop when you're surrounded by a hoard.

Yes, the Psykers doing brain burst on normals for keeping the stacks up is quiet funny. Investing the time + 45% of peril just to have 3% more damage, while you could have killed hordes with force staff in that time, or a close by specialist with enhanced ps sword ... Invested Ressources and output.

They must have a really good team to be so relaxed to be able investing so much energy in bursting and reducing peril, while others kill enemies.

[My Killer Shack]

Originally posted by Tomato:

Honestly, more experienced players are popping heads of random trash mobs to keep warp charges up for extra damage. lol Play the class before you trash the gameplay style.

i have a lvl 15 psyker... clearly you arent reading the thread. I am talking about the ones that only brain burst. some of these psykers ive looked at and they only ever have their hands out.

[My Killer Shack]

Originally posted by 48 Pistols:

I've seen high level play and head pop is bread and butter. You should play the class before making a thread.

once again... i have a lvl 15 psyker

[Joshbi]

It's less "don't use it on hordes" and more "if you're using it to keep your stacks up, make sure you time it well so you don't leave yourself (and your teammates to die)". I'm a level 30 Psyker but most randos don't seem to fully understand the rhythm yet.

[MrButtermancer]

Another note for psykers:

The "fireball" staff only does marginal damage on the explosion. It's mostly knockback utility.

The majority of damage comes from the charged projectile piercing pretty much *everything* while having enough damage to one tap elites on Malice. It isn't primarily a projectile you're throwing to place an explosion... you should be firing it as a line ability straight through high-health targets.

[Cacomistle]

There's 2 reasons for the psyker to do that.

One, it gives them warp charges.

Two, it gives them something to do while they're in the back.

You might be saying, well why are they in the back during a horde? Well you don't need 4 people to kill a horde, hordes are garbage. Being in the back, or more importantly being somewhere where you have vision over everything which often happens to be in the back, lets you snipe specials elites and ranged enemies faster.

If I'm expecting some specials or elites to spawn and have melee teammates who are competent enough that I don't need to protect them from pure trash mob, I'll often brain burst the trash mobs then quell back down to 0 just to maintain warp charges while I watch for more threatening enemies (and every once in a while zap that 1 poxwalker that somehow ends up in someone's back).

To be fair though I far more frequently just hit the horde, because there are a lot of people playing right now who seem to only understand the shooter aspect of this game, and if I let them fight a horde alone they'll somehow die.

If they're hitting horde enemies while literally anything else is alive, that's a mistake. But, it sometimes does happen. I've had times where there's like a rager or something else important in a horde or something, and the brain burst locks onto a poxwalker next to them, and I either don't notice or can't manage to get brain burst to lock onto the rager so I just burst the poxwalker.


If a psyker is doing nothing but brain bursting even while there is a horde in their back, then yeah that's probably not a very skilled player. There's a ton of not very skilled players right now. Honestly that's probably better than them charging into melee and dying instantly because they don't know how to block or dodge yet.

[A Good Joe]

Originally posted by My Killer Shack:

Originally posted by 48 Pistols:

I've seen high level play and head pop is bread and butter. You should play the class before making a thread.

once again... i have a lvl 15 psyker

So not high level then, not fit to comment.
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