Helbore Lasgun

[Zangried]

I just recently started getting Helbore Lasguns in my Armory rotation. I was excited to try them due to the charging and such, but it seems their range is a little underwhelming? I'm probably just utilizing this gun improperly. Is this more of a close/mid ranged Las with the Bayonette?

[Ōkami]

If you are referring to the Krieg gun then it is meant as a closer range variant I believe. Works pretty well at close to medium range but sniping with it is possible when charged though difficult due to the lack of sights.

[Zangried]

I'm unsure if Krieg and the Lucius are the same thing, but the one I refer to is the Lucius. It might be the Krieg later.

[The Grand Mugwump]

From my experience, the helbore lasgun is terrible. It does less damage than a regular lasrifle that uses 3 ammo per shot, and its charge shot doesn't work great either for 9 ammo. I felt like I was crippled compared to my previous ranged weapon even though I went up 50 rating and from blue to purple equipping it.

[SolusiRadikal]

Originally posted by Zangried:

I just recently started getting Helbore Lasguns in my Armory rotation. I was excited to try them due to the charging and such, but it seems their range is a little underwhelming? I'm probably just utilizing this gun improperly. Is this more of a close/mid ranged Las with the Bayonette?

Charged lasgun get outperformed by High damage lasgun, it's damage are soo inconsistent (even with proper charge bar) and not to mention the bad iron sight isn't gonna help you at all on long range combat.
Those bayonet where neat, but it's near useless due to it's low damage/stopping power. Swapping between melee/gun is also downright bad due to slugish animation.

Help yourself and forget that this weapon exist, use high damage lasgun instead.

[Black Ram]

I really dislike the whole "3 ammo pr shot" thing for lasguns, it requires you to think divide all its ammo with 3 for no good reason.
Just have it 1 ammo = 1 shot like with the autogun.

[DLCI]

So far I've made a point of buying every version of every ranged weapon that shows up just to try in the psykaneium, wrote down the number variants and what was unique about them, and made a note whether it was any good.

Didn't like the helbore lucius. Didn't really like any lasgun except the XII infantry, which is probably the best gun for picking off enemy ranged units from long distance. Not a fan of any autogun except the MK I and MK VII semi-auto sniper variant.

Most every high rate of fire auto-gun/lasgun variant suffers from the exact same problem: the ammo capacity does not go up along with the rate of fire, so your total damage potential goes way down by using a weapon that has the same number of shots per clip but does less damage per shot.

The exception to this would be braced autoguns (mk II and mk IV i think) which are both decent at medium range, and the MK II recon lasgun, which is one of the best guns in basically any situation.

[Varenvel The Festive Dinosaur]

Originally posted by TooMuChC4 DK:

I really dislike the whole "3 ammo pr shot" thing for lasguns, it requires you to think divide all its ammo with 3 for no good reason.
Just have it 1 ammo = 1 shot like with the autogun.

ammo consuoption varies , i had 1 ammo and 2 ammo lasgun

as for hellbore , i done 2 missions with it and done armory testing

what hellbore is good at it is killing elites , and maybe bosses as damage can get insanely high on charge and crit or eakspot charge crit

problem is in every other way is inferior , it has delay for each shot so often i could not score kill on special(and on veteran your encouraged to do so , so team gets a bit ammo)

fires slower then lasgun , has lower ammo efficiency , lower ammo capacity , terrible accuracy at medium range or higher , almost impossible to snipe , bigger sway , worse optics , bayoneet is terrible

and bigest crime of all , from all guns i tried as veteran it has the longest weapon swap

most elites are not even worth having extra gun as high capacity autogun can kill everything hellbore would , with better ammo efficiency too

has to be worst gun i tested both in game and armory and mind you one i used had good stats and even had extra crit/crit damage so it should be better then white lasgun , but its not

[I3eauLeBoi]

Originally posted by Zangried:

I just recently started getting Helbore Lasguns in my Armory rotation. I was excited to try them due to the charging and such, but it seems their range is a little underwhelming? I'm probably just utilizing this gun improperly. Is this more of a close/mid ranged Las with the Bayonette?

To me the "Lucius Mk III Helbore Lasgun" is super ♥♥♥♥, the bayonet attack is bad. And the damage output is bad too. Uses a lot of ammo.

You are better off going for the lower versions, either Mk I or Mk II. They have better attacks.

Edit: They are not bad though, just the Mk III is awful. The first two versions have a brilliant melee bayonet that works fast. If you've got a good tier weapon, The melee can stab enemies in one hit.

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

I want to like the Lucius but there are too many things that can go wrong between the moment you begin charging and the moment the round fires.

It would benefit from being able to hold it just a bit longer to re-center when your aim gets knocked off by a ranged graze or a teammate steps in front of you at the last second. When you have absolutely no threats near you and plenty of time to aim and charge it's pretty great but those opportunities are rare.

The instant fire weapons are just much more reliable in my experience. Which is probably why the game won't stop dropping purple Luciuses that I really don't want anymore lol.

[pRaX]

The XII takes a huge dump on the Lucius sadly.
Lucius would be much more worth it if it's normal shot damage wouldn't be so castrated.

[Nitro, the sanest Huntsman]

Someone in Fatshark just cannot help themselves but to make an insanely gimped "midrange sniper" weapon that is good on paper, but sucks ass in real matches due to being too slow and extremely clunky
Tried both Mk I and II, both are basically Kruber's Longbow: the sequel

[ShadowBastard69]

if its the charged lasgun then i agree. the sight picture with the ironsights is ass. compare to the precision autorifle, where you can easily differentiate the outer posts from inner post, and inner post from the enemy. on the precision lasgun the whole sight ends up looking like 1 giant horizontal block and its very hard to put charged shots on target at range.

[The Meowdalorian]

IF it had a scope it wouldn't be so bad, but with all the smokey maps and poor visibility, plus flash from the barrel, iron sights make it so easy to lose a long range target unless you have volley fire active.

[Zangried]

Yea, it's mostly the iron sights that killed it for me. I also need to try the Braces Autoguns too because I hear they're better than the normal ones in the beginning.

[pRaX]

Originally posted by Stripesthecat:

IF it had a scope it wouldn't be so bad, but with all the smokey maps and poor visibility, plus flash from the barrel, iron sights make it so easy to lose a long range target unless you have volley fire active.

Turn Volumetric Fog to low if you haven't already.