Death Guard Space Marine as Uber Elite, Terminator as Monster

[Heretical_Cactus]

Chaos Space Marine aren't easy quary for a group of Gaurdsmen armed with their normal weaponries but seeing that we have quite good melee weapons (Chainswords, Powerswords, Forec Swords, Powerhammer and the brawn of an Ogryn) they could be a threat that we could deal with

Taking VT2 as comparative

A Chaos Warrior with Chaos Armours is a threat that can match 3 to 5 normal Empire's State Soldier, but at the same time a Handgunner would be capable of killing them in one or 2 shots

While a Chaos Space Marine would normally resist quite a few lasgun shots and would be more than able to kill us quickly they are also possible to die very rapidly if hit in the right places (Armour seals, Eyes and respirator protections)

So Death Guard Marine with Boltpistol and Baleful Sword[wh40k.lexicanum.com] as Uber Elite

Death Guard Blight Lord Terminator as monster, 3/4 variant (One isn't technically a Blightlord but still a terminator):

With Flail of Corruption[wh40k.lexicanum.com] called "Blight Lord Corruptor" or "Corruptor" for short

With Plague Spewer (Think Stormfiend) and Bubotic Axe[wh40k.lexicanum.com] called "Blight Lord Spewer" or "Spewer" for short

With Blight Launcher (Work like a Globadier in VT) and Bubotic Axe[wh40k.lexicanum.com] called a "Blight Lord Blighter" or "Blighter" for short

And lastly a Deathshroud with it's 2h Scythe[wh40k.lexicanum.com] called a "Deathshroud"

[AzZotik]

"oh look reskinned Chaos Warrior with a gun, they can't do anything new, just reusing Vermintide assets/animations/ideas/concepts"

[tyke]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AzZotik:

"oh look reskinned Chaos Warrior with a gun, they can't do anything new, just reusing Vermintide assets/animations/ideas/concepts"

VT2 Chaos Warrior with all its attacks, 'reskinned', is in Darktide as one of the ogre enemies. Chaos Marine being Darktide's Chaos Warrior wouldn't be fitting anyway.

I think interesting idea is a Fatshark Chaos Marine that's different to Games Workshop's Chaos Marine in a similar way to Fatshark's Chaos Warrior is different to Games Workshop's Chaos Warrior

Visually the whole Space Marine thing could make for a bad enemy, could be awkward to animate how you want it fit into gameplay for its readability and behaviour and attacks. And boy do Games Workshop's Marines need it anyway, they're so dated now they almost look goofy. I'd love to see Fatshark do their own take on Space Marines like they did their own take on Chaos Warriors. Do something with quite different proportions, different look, different style.
There's all sorts of directions to take look and proportions and style, but bring it back to still being Astartes
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And if you break out of the Space Marine mold and you're doing your own thing then the behaviour you're doing can fit more aesthetically, bend expectations more. VT2 Chaos Warrior looks like some robot machine, which it suits that it behaves like it for the gameplay and its role. If it were more Games Workshop's Conan the Barbarian style Chaos Warrior it would seem all wrong for a VT2 Chaos Warrior to look like that.

But it's not just that Marines are more sensitive material to audience who may not appreciate a unique take on them but also it may be more sensitive material to Games Workshop where while they gave Fatshark a pass on their take on Chaos Warrior/Chosen but Games Workshop would be more controlling over how Marines are portrayed.

But boy does it need it. I'd love to see Fatshark unleashed to show what a Astartes actually is in the year 2022.
It's one of these things it's so iconic and it's been so rigid it's rarely even questioned or even think to judge it, almost like it's a sacred cow. And I guess there's element of how that those who buy the miniatures have invested in that goofy 1970s Disco Bellbottom trousers icon. But it's not a sacred cow, it's actually a dead cat. It only takes someone to show that it's a stinking dead rotten cat to break it and move forward.

[Hexagoros]

The issue with what you're suggesting is everything FS does, needs approval from Games Workshop.

FS 'cannot' make their own Space Marine. FS's Chaos Warriors still very much looked like Chaos Warriors. So their Space Marines would still need to look - and act - like Space Marines.

[Mania]

[quote=Mr. Wiggles;3410929607729596098
Inquisition kill team, equipped with personal shields even [/quote]

More like a bunch of criminals drafted into service and given Inquisitorial equipment, which would barely be considered a Inquisition kill team.

Also, if I'm not mistaken the Toughness for the characters have their individual explanations, i.e. Zealot is shielded with faith and Veteran has a flak vest.

[Heretical_Cactus]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από tyke:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AzZotik:

"oh look reskinned Chaos Warrior with a gun, they can't do anything new, just reusing Vermintide assets/animations/ideas/concepts"

VT2 Chaos Warrior with all its attacks, 'reskinned', is in Darktide as one of the ogre enemies. Chaos Marine being Darktide's Chaos Warrior wouldn't be fitting anyway.

I think interesting idea is a Fatshark Chaos Marine that's different to Games Workshop's Chaos Marine in a similar way to Fatshark's Chaos Warrior is different to Games Workshop's Chaos Warrior

Visually the whole Space Marine thing could make for a bad enemy, could be awkward to animate how you want it fit into gameplay for its readability and behaviour and attacks. And boy do Games Workshop's Marines need it anyway, they're so dated now they almost look goofy. I'd love to see Fatshark do their own take on Space Marines like they did their own take on Chaos Warriors. Do something with quite different proportions, different look, different style.
There's all sorts of directions to take look and proportions and style, but bring it back to still being Astartes
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And if you break out of the Space Marine mold and you're doing your own thing then the behaviour you're doing can fit more aesthetically, bend expectations more. VT2 Chaos Warrior looks like some robot machine, which it suits that it behaves like it for the gameplay and its role. If it were more Games Workshop's Conan the Barbarian style Chaos Warrior it would seem all wrong for a VT2 Chaos Warrior to look like that.

But it's not just that Marines are more sensitive material to audience who may not appreciate a unique take on them but also it may be more sensitive material to Games Workshop where while they gave Fatshark a pass on their take on Chaos Warrior/Chosen but Games Workshop would be more controlling over how Marines are portrayed.

But boy does it need it. I'd love to see Fatshark unleashed to show what a Astartes actually is in the year 2022.
It's one of these things it's so iconic and it's been so rigid it's rarely even questioned or even think to judge it, almost like it's a sacred cow. And I guess there's element of how that those who buy the miniatures have invested in that goofy 1970s Disco Bellbottom trousers icon. But it's not a sacred cow, it's actually a dead cat. It only takes someone to show that it's a stinking dead rotten cat to break it and move forward.

None of those really look like Space Marines, aat most they are from the Officio Assassinorum or that they are from the Solar Auxillia

[Mr. Wiggles]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από seonwan:

More like a bunch of criminals drafted into service and given Inquisitorial equipment, which would barely be considered a Inquisition kill team.

Also, if I'm not mistaken the Toughness for the characters have their individual explanations, i.e. Zealot is shielded with faith and Veteran has a flak vest.

They have personal shields that autorecharge, not even most spess marins have that.

[tyke]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Heretical_Cactus:

None of those really look like Space Marines, aat most they are from the Officio Assassinorum or that they are from the Solar Auxillia

Right! Virtually everything that doesn't look like Games Workshop's Space Marines just so happens to look way better than their Space Marines. It's as though Space Marines are the dullest most uninspired looking thing out there or something. I was merely browsing 'scifi knight' 'scifi cyborg concept art' etc and taking everything that's more interesting than Space Marines... which was almost every result lol could just keep going forever going through random art blogs and it's all better than Games Workshop lol. Not that any of that is particularly good.
Really I wanted to find some concept art of something like knights, which is very much what Space Marines are along with being very SS in space and general WW2 aesthetics, but all of it is bland and uninspired. Really anything in fiction of scifi and fantasy etc portraying something along the lines of medieval armour is awful and is some weird marvel superhero style or just plain ugly copying plain ugly, it's all blown away by the real thing. The real deal was amazing stuff and shows fascination they had with biomechanics and nature, all of it was attempting to achieve life in metal and looked to nature as a model, and where they couldn't achieve the human or mammallian form there's a lot of the form of trees and plants and oceans.

All of the endless unoriginal uninspired derivatives in fiction seem to have a blinkered pursuit of their derivative being like the other poor derivatives. It's like they've never seen the beauty and artistry of what was created 500 years ago and actually stopped and looked and been inspired. It's all derivatives of derivatives, which generally case with much fiction today and why sci-fi and fantasy gets crappier with time as it's fans-of-a-product who are copying fans-of-a-product who themselves were copying fans-of-a-product.

It's like if a fantasy artist designing mythical creatures only copied other creators of fantasy creatures in place of basing their art in classical principles, physics, lighting, perspective, mass etc. Eventually it just degenerates into soulless nothing. This is true with all types of fantasy and such fiction. The first generation of Warhammer creators were history nerds like Rick Priestly who knew as much about real history as any fantasy and they were more at home doing creating historical wargames and stuff about War of Roses and Hundreds Years War than they were with Fantasy. Fantasy was originally created by people who were grounded in anthropology and history and had a classical education, such as Robert Howard and JRR Tolkein weren't Fantasy Nerds, and so when they created art it was true art as it was a reflection of a deep understanding of reality. In the end, instead of being a channel for expressing ancient myths and historical forces that informs the profound and epic and glorious, it becomes something which lobotomizes, politically no different from opioids and pornography and you end up with population who know more about crap like Batman and Games of Thrones than they do about the classics and dramas of Greece and Rome.
Similarly Sci-fi was originally created by educated people - but then Sci-fi was ugly ideological utopian rubbish by awful people for awful people, which is why Warhammer 40,000 is so wonderful and the greatest scifi as it just dumps all over the ideological ugliness of the abomination that is Science-Fiction, really W40k is much more a Fantasy like some Sword and Sorcery but in Sci-Fi which is what makes it so great, but nonetheless the original Science Fiction is serious if grotesque and talking about the likes of Huxley, Wells, Asimov, Heinlein etc and later likes of Strugatsky brothers ANYHOW

SPACE MARINES, Knights in Space - lol hardly, they look terrible, everything looks better than them. Of course fiction can never compete with beauty of creations by real craftsmen in reality, but the chasm and lack of inspiration and even seeming lack of attempt. Just to look at some of the Maximillian and Greenwich stuff
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And this stuff has aged over the centuries and lost its colours of the acid etching and bluing of the steel

such as this
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where it looks black in this picture originally it would've been blued steel, like a brilliant fluorescent blue with rainbow colours of iridescence

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iirc this is one of king henry viii's suits, one of greatest suits of armour ever created if not the greatest. Plain looking but the real deal
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And these are just pictures. Especially when you see it in person and real it's amazing, it's like art that it's telling you something, speaks of killing as an artform, of the power to kill, the power of nature, it's magical stuff.

Earlier on the visual designs of the Space Marines were pretty cool. Also the old Space Marines are just straight up better anyway, far more soulful. But they're not real, a Space Marine can look like anything and if I were overseeing a redesign of Space Marines I'd lean into knights and Greenwich and Maximillian armour and make it quite cyborg and industrial.

[foster]

a recent interview with lead level designer and the head of design for darktide confirmed that there are no chaos space marines (or death guard) of ANY kind in the game. honestly i am very sad to hear no death guard (seeing how in gaunt's ghosts they kill them with power swords and chainswords) but lore wise it works since iirc theyre so disgusting and horrid to be around normal humans pretty much contract diseases and die quickly around them.

video (8:30 in): https://youtu.be/4yAxgkEjcew?t=510

[XIX Victorious Aut Mortis]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rett:

a recent interview with lead level designer and the head of design for darktide confirmed that there are no chaos space marines (or death guard) of ANY kind in the game. honestly i am very sad to hear no death guard (seeing how in gaunt's ghosts they kill them with power swords and chainswords) but lore wise it works since iirc theyre so disgusting and horrid to be around normal humans pretty much contract diseases and die quickly around them.

video (8:30 in): https://youtu.be/4yAxgkEjcew?t=510

the question he asked is from someone who is to invested in space marines rather then the guard he asked question about Liberians; SM boltgun; SM Plasma weapons and Powerfist. so the question he should have asked should have been referenced from the Guard rather then Space marines. to get the greatest response from the Devs

[Hexagoros]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από tyke:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AzZotik:

"oh look reskinned Chaos Warrior with a gun, they can't do anything new, just reusing Vermintide assets/animations/ideas/concepts"

VT2 Chaos Warrior with all its attacks, 'reskinned', is in Darktide as one of the ogre enemies. Chaos Marine being Darktide's Chaos Warrior wouldn't be fitting anyway.

I think interesting idea is a Fatshark Chaos Marine that's different to Games Workshop's Chaos Marine in a similar way to Fatshark's Chaos Warrior is different to Games Workshop's Chaos Warrior

Visually the whole Space Marine thing could make for a bad enemy, could be awkward to animate how you want it fit into gameplay for its readability and behaviour and attacks. And boy do Games Workshop's Marines need it anyway, they're so dated now they almost look goofy. I'd love to see Fatshark do their own take on Space Marines like they did their own take on Chaos Warriors. Do something with quite different proportions, different look, different style.
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Nah, all that garbage looks derivative, predictable, and samey.

Much prefer Space Marines.

[AzZotik]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mr. Wiggles:

They have personal shields that autorecharge, not even most spess marins have that.

Inquisition has access to the best gear in Munitorium, Inquisition agents who are on a payroll and a good streak can even use Xenos artifacts if the need is high.

That's why it was chosen we are acolytes of Inquisition, as it gives access to most gear and weapons available, you can read more in "Dark Heresy" tabletop roleplay.
Where you play as part of Inquisition acolytes and can order pretty damn good equipment that even a Stormtrooper can only dream of. Including personal rosarius or refractor field.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AzZotik:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mr. Wiggles:

They have personal shields that autorecharge, not even most spess marins have that.

Inquisition has access to the best gear in Munitorium, Inquisition agents who are on a payroll and a good streak can even use Xenos artifacts if the need is high.

That's why it was chosen we are acolytes of Inquisition, as it gives access to most gear and weapons available, you can read more in "Dark Heresy" tabletop roleplay.
Where you play as part of Inquisition acolytes and can order pretty damn good equipment that even a Stormtrooper can only dream of. Including personal rosarius or refractor field.

Yep. Finally someone that gets it.

[Qau'lthir]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mr. Wiggles:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από AzZotik:

Inquisition has access to the best gear in Munitorium, Inquisition agents who are on a payroll and a good streak can even use Xenos artifacts if the need is high.

That's why it was chosen we are acolytes of Inquisition, as it gives access to most gear and weapons available, you can read more in "Dark Heresy" tabletop roleplay.
Where you play as part of Inquisition acolytes and can order pretty damn good equipment that even a Stormtrooper can only dream of. Including personal rosarius or refractor field.

Yep. Finally someone that gets it.

No, you two still don't get it. We're not acolytes, we're not part of a kill team, we're playing as expendable meat in the form of prisoners. An inquisitor wouldn't waste good gear on them and also: We're not using personal shields, the "shield" part of the health reflects the Vet wearing a flak vest, the zealots "faith", the ogryn just being a tough nut and the Psyker's ability to shield himself with his mind.

[Mr. Wiggles]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Qau'lthir:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mr. Wiggles:

Yep. Finally someone that gets it.

No, you two still don't get it. We're not acolytes, we're not part of a kill team, we're playing as expendable meat in the form of prisoners. An inquisitor wouldn't waste good gear on them and also: We're not using personal shields, the "shield" part of the health reflects the Vet wearing a flak vest, the zealots "faith", the ogryn just being a tough nut and the Psyker's ability to shield himself with his mind.

Kek, they are literally shields who recharge quicly when you are closer to your companions. Sure thing, they send 4 (FOUR) expendable convicts in a mission meant to prevent a whole manufactorum from blowing up, re-kek

[AzZotik]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Qau'lthir:

No, you two still don't get it. We're not acolytes, we're not part of a kill team, we're playing as expendable meat in the form of prisoners. An inquisitor wouldn't waste good gear on them and also: We're not using personal shields, the "shield" part of the health reflects the Vet wearing a flak vest, the zealots "faith", the ogryn just being a tough nut and the Psyker's ability to shield himself with his mind.

You don't start with the best gear, you don't get to order any gear until you finish missions for Inquisition, same as acolytes, we do get better gear as we progress through the game, it was confirmed already. "Get better gear as you gain trust with Inquisition" even if we are not de facto Acolytes, it's still the same system. Don't die - Do stuff - Get gear to do more dangerous stuff and not die. As for who inqusition hires, we literally had a group of Highborn Arbites, hive world recruit guardsman, small time Ministorum clerc and mad preacher from feudal world, they grab whoever shows promise.