It's painfully obvious how many people KNOW NOTHING about the lore when complaining about the game.

[Mirror Walker]

I'm genuinely curious if any of the people complaining about the game have actually read any of the books? When you get all your information from youtube videos, the wiki and vapid memes you have no right to voice your unimaginably awful understanding of the universe. How is it that in 2021 people still look at the Imperial Guard as cheap cannon fodder?? We are not playing as some moribund Penal Legion or even simple PDF troopers. Guard regiments from Cadia to Krieg to the Arkhan Confederates or the Iwujii Sharks are born and bred supremely skilled killers. But I suppose people who get all there information from memes wouldn't know that. And to top it all off we aren't, to my knowledge, playing as simple guardsmen. Serving under an Inquisitor means that are characters whether or not they are a priest, Ogryn, guardsmen or.... a FEMALE they were recruited because they were skilled enough to be useful to an Inquisitor. So please, to all the people who have ♥♥♥♥ opinions about this game, go read.
Recommended books. Fire Caste, Cult of The Spiral Dawn, Gaunt's Ghosts series, Honourbound, Dead Men Walking, Eisenhorn trilogy, Ravenor trilogy.

Have a great day.

[Skearn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Skearn:

agreed
actually now that im here in this thread, do you happen to know any books that feature ogryn characters?:D

read about Nork Deddog he's the greatest.

"Da Sergeant Major asked me what my job was an' I said it was to, uh, do what I was told. He said I was a genius and gave me another medal. I likes da Imperial Guard!"

-Headbutted an Ork Warboss causing them to rout. "Tha's a tough humie, he butted da boss I'm outta here!"

-Dragged his colonel wounded to safety by dragging his Chimera tank off the battlefield.

-Leapt on top of an enemy grenade, and the enemy grenadier in the process. Saving his commander and comrades.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Nork_Deddog

that sounds amazing, thanks folks <3

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Civilian X:

Well, they do become cannon fodder if they are sent in large numbers to clean out dangerous space hulks.

"they do become cannon fodder"

^^ This is a Line i have huge Problems with and i heared it many Times when it comes to
Darktide and its Cast.

People always say "They" we finally have to realise that "they" are actually us. What i want to say is that not every Ogryn is the same and not every Guradsmen is the same and in the End we are playing them, they dont play themselfs. We get Weapons and Tools and what ever to accomplish the Missions, what counts at the End is our Skill and not what is written in this or that Book.

I mean if you want to act like in "that" Book, why even making a Game about it, read that Book and thats it. No i want to write my own Storys and thats what Fatshark also likes to do. They write their own 40K Story and some may not like it as the previous one they have read. But trust me it will be for sure not a complete Mess that makes you not wanna play it. Thats Nonsense, we all know that nearly everyone in here will buy the Game.

Yeah there will be Things you may not like but there will also be Things you gonna like. i mean what is this here? People sometimes talk about Darktide as if its a complete new Concept of a Game that was never there befor. Holly Molly if you would react like that to every single Game you would not find Time anymore to play one. People really need to come down, i tell you best is to forget about it till next Trailer arrives.

On the other Hand if i were Fatshark, i would not make another one till Release, or 2 Weeks befor Release. I can already hear and see the next Crybaby Wave, may the Emperor be with us Brothers .,.

(it was not meant offensive against you, its just about this Line, i cant hear it anymore)

Peace

[Mirror Walker]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von evil#W40K/Darktide:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Civilian X:

Well, they do become cannon fodder if they are sent in large numbers to clean out dangerous space hulks.

"they do become cannon fodder"

^^ This is a Line i have huge Problems with and i heared it many Times when it comes to
Darktide and its Cast.

People always say "They" we finally have to realise that "they" are actually us. What i want to say is that not every Ogryn is the same and not every Guradsmen is the same and in the End we are playing them, they dont play themselfs. We get Weapons and Tools and what ever to accomplish the Missions, what counts at the End is our Skill and not what is written in this or that Book.

I mean if you want to act like in "that" Book, why even making a Game about it, read that Book and thats it. No i want to write my own Storys and thats what Fatshark also likes to do. They write their own 40K Story and some may not like it as the previous one they have read. But trust me it will be for sure not a complete Mess that makes you not wanna play it. Thats Nonsense, we all know that nearly everyone in here will buy the Game.

Yeah there will be Things you may not like but there will also be Things you gonna like. i mean what is this here? People sometimes talk about Darktide as if its a complete new Concept of a Game that was never there befor. Holly Molly if you would react like that to every single Game you would not find Time anymore to play one. People really need to come down, i tell you best is to forget about it till next Trailer arrives.

On the other Hand if i were Fatshark, i would not make another one till Release, or 2 Weeks befor Release. I can already hear and see the next Crybaby Wave, may the Emperor be with us Brothers .,.

(it was not meant offensive against you, its just about this Line, i cant hear it anymore)

Peace

Very well said. Ultimately it's a game that will have the enjoyment of the players first and foremost. I just really don't understand why so many people are already upset at the game for ridiculous reasons.

[AlbaHIbernia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Watercrown123:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

A necron warrior is equivalent to a Space Marine so that's not a great comparison the rest are fine though.

Not quite an Astartes, an Immortal is roughly equivalent though. Warriors just don't have enough combat capability on their own to do much and absolutely disintegrate in melee.

Both on tabletop and in fluff lore. A single necron is just as equiped, deadly and on par with a Space Marine. An Immortal is a Terminator not a Space Marine equivalent. Meaning as armed and capable as the 1st company equipped with Term armour. Spehs Mehreens are hard countered by Necrons.

And just to cement against Imperium fans and there constant we're the best at everything, and have the best troops. (Primaris.) An Eldar Harlequin took on dozens of Custodians beheading them like it was absolutely nothing (Not even a Soltaire.) An Eldar Aspect Warrior is far more trained than a Space Marine. Hell a Guardian is most likely on par with the Astartes. Given the longer life and how powerful they are. The normal Guardian sure as hell fears the Astartes but they've advantages being able to process time and move faster than your average human.

[Beravin]

See, I actually don't care about any of that, despite being interested in the lore. I just want a good game, with fun characters. Vermintide 1 and 2 delivered, and I suspect Darktide will also deliver. All this nonsense about gender, etc, its all pointless white noise to me.

[AlbaHIbernia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beravin:

See, I actually don't care about any of that, despite being interested in the lore. I just want a good game, with fun characters. Vermintide 1 and 2 delivered, and I suspect Darktide will also deliver. All this nonsense about gender, etc, its all pointless white noise to me.

You have failed to join in the culture war. You must be angry at the gender idealogy, do we even remember why we're angry at gender being in our game? Or is it back to the women in games. Fcking women snipers, has anyone read any history? There's no such thing. Fcking Soviet regiments. Them SS stormtroopers weren't real men anyway. Your average guardsmen is 6ft tall. So we should put a ban on the forums that anyone under 6ft should not be allowed to comment. Only men and women over 6ft are allowed to comment about guardsmen. If you're a man under 6ft you're practically not even a man or a women.

[Skearn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beravin:

See, I actually don't care about any of that, despite being interested in the lore. I just want a good game, with fun characters. Vermintide 1 and 2 delivered, and I suspect Darktide will also deliver. All this nonsense about gender, etc, its all pointless white noise to me.

You have failed to join in the culture war. You must be angry at the gender idealogy, do we even remember why we're angry at gender being in our game? Or is it back to the women in games. Fcking women snipers, has anyone read any history? There's no such thing. Fcking Soviet regiments. Them SS stormtroopers weren't real men anyway. Your average guardsmen is 6ft tall. So we should put a ban on the forums that anyone under 6ft should not be allowed to comment. Only men and women over 6ft are allowed to comment about guardsmen. If you're a man under 6ft you're practically not even a man or a women.

no1 gives a REAL ♥♥♥♥, srsly its a non-problem.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beravin:

See, I actually don't care about any of that, despite being interested in the lore. I just want a good game, with fun characters. Vermintide 1 and 2 delivered, and I suspect Darktide will also deliver. All this nonsense about gender, etc, its all pointless white noise to me.

same here^^

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mirror Walker:

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i think i dont want to understand these ppl in all sincerity

Ursprünglich geschrieben von evil#W40K/Darktide:

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preach!:D

[AlbaHIbernia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Skearn:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

You have failed to join in the culture war. You must be angry at the gender idealogy, do we even remember why we're angry at gender being in our game? Or is it back to the women in games. Fcking women snipers, has anyone read any history? There's no such thing. Fcking Soviet regiments. Them SS stormtroopers weren't real men anyway. Your average guardsmen is 6ft tall. So we should put a ban on the forums that anyone under 6ft should not be allowed to comment. Only men and women over 6ft are allowed to comment about guardsmen. If you're a man under 6ft you're practically not even a man or a women.

no1 gives a REAL ♥♥♥♥, srsly its a non-problem.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beravin:

See, I actually don't care about any of that, despite being interested in the lore. I just want a good game, with fun characters. Vermintide 1 and 2 delivered, and I suspect Darktide will also deliver. All this nonsense about gender, etc, its all pointless white noise to me.

same here^^

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mirror Walker:

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i think i dont want to understand these ppl in all sincerity

Ursprünglich geschrieben von evil#W40K/Darktide:

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preach!:D

If no one really cares why is it in every thread? And in this one. Apologies if I didn't put tone indicators on for you but my post was clearly sarcasm. So apologies. /s

[Skearn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Skearn:

no1 gives a REAL ♥♥♥♥, srsly its a non-problem.


same here^^


i think i dont want to understand these ppl in all sincerity


preach!:D

If no one really cares why is it in every thread? And in this one. Apologies if I didn't put tone indicators on for you but my post was clearly sarcasm. So apologies. /s

i take back what i said, i am autistic^^

[AlbaHIbernia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Skearn:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

If no one really cares why is it in every thread? And in this one. Apologies if I didn't put tone indicators on for you but my post was clearly sarcasm. So apologies. /s

i take back what i said, i am autistic^^

It's okay. Lol, I'm dyspraxic and it's somewhere on the spectrum. I like to have some fun when discussing lore and history. Unfortunately it gets harder these days with battle lines being drawn in the sand.

Oh the ironic irony to the media we consume tho. It's like a reflection to what we argue about.

[Skearn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Skearn:

i take back what i said, i am autistic^^

It's okay. Lol, I'm dyspraxic and it's somewhere on the spectrum. I like to have some fun when discussing lore and history. Unfortunately it gets harder these days with battle lines being drawn in the sand.

Oh the ironic irony to the media we consume tho. It's like a reflection to what we argue about.

same on lore and history, there are some amazing moments like the war of the bucket or the viking berserker that held his own on a bridge and only got beaten because of a sneaky boi with a spear going under the bridge, history has the weirdest stories^^

its not too hard for me to detect intentions or jokes when i can see a face making it but online makes it very difficult at times and with the way ppl can be or seemingly come off as makes it virtually impossible for me to engage sometimes.

it does, it actually does:D

[AlbaHIbernia]

I like to read faces too. I despise this new age of online, and lack of humanity. We are not servitors! We need that human contact. I think we can all enjoy history, lore and the hobby. These ridiculous notions are so detracted. And I do have empathy for you all, I am not emotionless. I understand people implant there pain,insecurity,rage and anger into there reflection, there answers and responses to certain issues. I often laugh alone at it these days because it seems so far removed, almost trapped in time with what we all face these days.

Warhammer has amazing lore, it's utterly silly. Daemons that can destroy entire worlds, cleaving them in half with a single axe swing,murdering legions of Astartes and millions of imperial guard. But an Ultramarine named character can dispatch him with a power fist strike. I think it's so silly what we can get mad at in this setting. Inquisition squads are the most mismatched bunch of weirdos. Anyone with any ability, Yes even those under 6ft tall. Those reading who want to enjoy the power fantasy of using the emperors warp powers because they are a devout believer.

And you know what if the vast majority of humanity gets mad that people are enjoying the setting. Well fck you I'm an Ork player now guess. What, your guardsmen run out of ammo and point to the Ork horde and say bang. Ork drops dead, so the rest of squad start shouting bang,bang,bang. Dropping the Orks. All well, till a group of my Orks just won't die. Despite your protest. And you hear my Orks chanting. "Imma tank, immma tank, immma tank, imma tank!"

My Orks can will something into existence if enough of the WAAAGH believes in it. Pls why are we arguing about anything in this setting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNjUiDpLvlQ

[Watercrown123]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Watercrown123:

Not quite an Astartes, an Immortal is roughly equivalent though. Warriors just don't have enough combat capability on their own to do much and absolutely disintegrate in melee.

Both on tabletop and in fluff lore. A single necron is just as equiped, deadly and on par with a Space Marine. An Immortal is a Terminator not a Space Marine equivalent. Meaning as armed and capable as the 1st company equipped with Term armour. Spehs Mehreens are hard countered by Necrons.

And just to cement against Imperium fans and there constant we're the best at everything, and have the best troops. (Primaris.) An Eldar Harlequin took on dozens of Custodians beheading them like it was absolutely nothing (Not even a Soltaire.) An Eldar Aspect Warrior is far more trained than a Space Marine. Hell a Guardian is most likely on par with the Astartes. Given the longer life and how powerful they are. The normal Guardian sure as hell fears the Astartes but they've advantages being able to process time and move faster than your average human.

If you go based off of tabletop a warrior has 5" movement, toughness 4, strength 4, 1 wound, 4+ save. A standard tactical marine has 6" movement, toughness 4, strength 4, 2 wounds, 3+ save. The warrior has a 1 (2 at half range), 24" range, S4, -1 AP, 1 damage weapon or a 2 shot, 12" range, S5, -2 AP, 1 damage weapon. A tactical marine has a 1 (2 at half range) 24" range, S4, 0 AP, 1 damage weapon but with opportunities for significantly better weapons. In other words, the marine is way tankier with more flexibility, the warrior is slower and less durable but packs more of a punch. Primaris gives a clear edge to the marines with more powerful weaponry.

A better equivalent to a marine is an Immortal at 5" movement, toughness 5, strength 4, 1 wound, 3+ save. This is supported by the fact that tacticals are 18 points while warriors are 11 and Immortals 15.

Lorewise marines have a significant edge over Necron warriors, with them generally being worth about 5-10 warriors. Once they go up against Immortals they start to suffer and often have a ratio of about 1 marine to 2 Immortals. Lychguard are your proper Terminator equivalents and they can generally carve through regular marines with ease (same in the tabletop where they're roughly as durable as Terminators with comparable killing power).

And as a final note, I am by no means an Imperium fanboy, I own about 5000 points of Necron models at the moment and have read literally every single Necron book out there except Fall of Damnos (Ultramarine wank really) and... I've actually forgotten the name now but it has Anrakyr vs. Tyranids. Necrons are my #1 faction with anything Khorne as 2nd, Dark Angels and Custodes tying for 3rd.

[AlbaHIbernia]

A single marine is worth 5-10 Necron warriors? Not even a Primaris the uber marine, nor a Custodian or a Primarch. Jesus wept how GW has r@ped this setting to sell Space Marines. A Necron from the war in Heaven millennia old was always better than mankind. But they've practically made it a the Imperium are all Gods in there own right. They could just retconn the Space Marines actually fought in the war in Heaven and did most of the fighting instead of the Krork and Aeldari in there prime. A single Ultra marine being far above any of these ancient empires in there prime. And even now with the Imperium in decay. In the grim dark future. There is no hope for the Orks, the Chaos Gods, the C'than. There is only Spehs Mehreens. The damn Tyrannid Hive mind, that being that's supposed to be lovecraftian God level of strength fears fighting Necrons, but they're cannon fodder to spehs mehreens. Forget the emperor or by Sanguines we should be praying for the enemy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/7yvf8e/how_do_necrons_compare_to_astartes/

"Lorewise answer is necrons are one of the dealiest enemies of the SM. In melee combat SMs are faster but necrons units have perfect lockstep rhythm and they can give SMs perfectly timed CQC, pointblank shots and danger close artillery barrage with zero friendly fire at the same time. In ranged combat they are comparable, but Main property of Gauss weaponry (molecular deconstruction) means no matter what armor you are wearing, it will get destroyed. SM power armor can withstand under gauss weapon some time(usually enough for skilled SM to destroy basic necron unit on 1v1 situation), termies have extra time simply due to increased size of armor. On the otherhand, necrodermis is one of the toughest material in the galaxy due to its regenerative ability. So necrons can simply tank through most damages aside from dedicated anti-armor heavy weaponry(even then you need tons of firepower) and push through SM line. In most cases SMs usually tries to destroy necron tomb complex before they are awakened(SM can handle small amount of basic units, but elite necron units will give SM run for their money) otherwise necrons wipe the floor with SMs."

Retconned, actually Spehs mehreens armour can withstand Exterminatus! And only a blast from the emperor can defeat them. In no way is a Necron warrior cannon fodder to a Space Marine. No matter how ludicrous they push this bollocks. Ultramarine's punching out a Chaos God singlehandedly next.

[Watercrown123]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AlbaHIbernia:

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Necrons are brutal, don't get me wrong, but if they were this powerful then they'd instantly wipe anyone and everyone with ease and it'd cheapen the setting. Large formations of warriors will seriously hurt marines and considering that there are probably only a few million marines in the universe then an exchange rate of 10 warriors to 1 marine is a laughably easy rate to maintain for the Necrons, especially considering on average only about 1/100 Necron "deaths" are actually permanent due to phasing out and reanimation... and that's with warriors who have the definition of crap bodies compared to Immortals or straight up nobility.

Marines are significantly better in melee, are slightly tougher, and their weapons are a bit weaker, that's what it comes down to. Concentrated fire from Necrons of any variety carve through marines but marines can also carve through Necrons if they get into melee. Even at range I can give you half a dozen citations of how marine bolters cause significant damage to warriors, minimal damage to Immortals, and barely any to Lychguard or nobility.

Keep in mind that warriors factually are the fodder of the Necron race that has also just suffered millions of years of disrepair during the Great Sleep. They're a bunch of random civilians shoved into metal bodies, given a ridiculously powerful gun, and slaved to the minds of higher entities (often Immortals in smaller forces but potentially a noble if there's a large concentration of warriors) in order to even have the ability to effectively their weapons because of how much their minds have degraded. Warriors are basically blobs of fodder the Necrons throw in between them and the enemy... and those warriors are still so scary that even marines have trouble dealing with them.

As soon as the Necrons deploy their better assets like Immortals, Tomb Blades, etc. then marines consistently start going down quickly and even losing their position. For example in World Engine the entire Astral Knights chapter was barely able to hold their crash site for a few hours, then the Necrons started deploying Immortals and at that point they were forced back. Also even the Astral Knights' elite veterans were slaughtered by Lychguard and their best captain was put down with ease by a Triarch Praetorian. Barring odd ones out like Fall of Damnos (or arguably Indomitus) then the Necron power level is represented extremely well compared to factions like the Eldar or Orks, who often get destroyed for ridiculous reasons just to make marines look strong.

Marines effortlessly slaughtering a bunch of Eldar who were waiting in ambush is absolutely marine wank. Marines barely holding out against waves of Necron warriors until Immortals arrive and begin pushing the marines back and then their elite guard getting slaughtered to a man by Lychguard is absolutely not marine wank.