Milkdrop you might like this better!

[Ron]

This is basically the same as Milkdrop visualizer that Winamp has.
You can even set Milkdrop to higher graphic setting by altering
parameters like: Unlimited framerate, mesh size, canvas stretch,
image cache up to 2048 images, fill up to 2Gb of Vram

If you want to try Milkdrop, you can download Winamp for *free*
at https://www.winamp.com
Ofcourse you have to own your own music!
Don't be a streaming slave..

[chaosophy]

Yep, afaik projectM is built/based off of the open source source code that the Milkdrop dev released. Code which is still available for people to do their own builds and projectM is one of a few that I've come across, though the only one that seems to be getting updated.

MediaMonkey also has milkdrop2 available for it and is a lot more recent than winamp and still updated.

While I feel projectM is still a bit behind what milkdrop2 was, most- if not all - off the things you mention can be done with projectM by editing the config file. Though it would be nicer if it could have the old milkdrop config window to make it easier.

I also like the idea that you can just use it with loopback audio, or a selected input. This is do-able in winamp as well from what I know but seems pointless having that running if it's not needed.

[bog maiden]

If it seems like Milkdrop that's because this for all intents and purposes *is* Milkdrop. Enough so that you can even put MD presets from Winamp into projectM no problem.

Where this shines though that I feel Milkdrop lacks is you can only use Milkdrop in Winamp and it only reacts to Winamp's audio. But sometimes it's nice to have a visualizer when vibing to Spotify or on your second monitor when playing a game if you have one.

While I'm sure you CAN finagle Milkdrop to listen to audio from other sources through Winamp, considering this uses the same base and is just as configurable, it's honestly great. If you primarily listen to local music files, tho, yeah, Winamp standalone + the plugin is probably the better option with the new Winamp Community Project making much needed updates to the media player.

[Ron]

Originally posted by Lt. Four Vaginas:

If it seems like Milkdrop that's because this for all intents and purposes *is* Milkdrop. Enough so that you can even put MD presets from Winamp into projectM no problem.

Where this shines though that I feel Milkdrop lacks is you can only use Milkdrop in Winamp and it only reacts to Winamp's audio. But sometimes it's nice to have a visualizer when vibing to Spotify or on your second monitor when playing a game if you have one.

While I'm sure you CAN finagle Milkdrop to listen to audio from other sources through Winamp, considering this uses the same base and is just as configurable, it's honestly great. If you primarily listen to local music files, tho, yeah, Winamp standalone + the plugin is probably the better option with the new Winamp Community Project making much needed updates to the media player.

I don't get it why you would use spotify...I never was foolish enough to fall for that. You're giving up freedom imo, that said it must be my age, I've collected so much music (digitally)
last 2 decades and the power of Winamp which I use since 1997 the very first Winamp,
while most friends at school still were using tape and cd's.
People who use Spotify obviously listen to playlists which you can make for yourself too
if you use Winamp.

ProjectM would stand out imo if they add to the already great Milkdrop, most of the
preset were made by people who knew how to make the preset files for Milkdrop,
but having background in there maybe metadata from the stream you're listening to
or locally, would be an awesome feat, with this I mean Album art etc, frontside, backside and inside of the LP, cd etc..

[JM_VFX]

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Originally posted by Lt. Four Vaginas:

If it seems like Milkdrop that's because this for all intents and purposes *is* Milkdrop. Enough so that you can even put MD presets from Winamp into projectM no problem.

Where this shines though that I feel Milkdrop lacks is you can only use Milkdrop in Winamp and it only reacts to Winamp's audio. But sometimes it's nice to have a visualizer when vibing to Spotify or on your second monitor when playing a game if you have one.

While I'm sure you CAN finagle Milkdrop to listen to audio from other sources through Winamp, considering this uses the same base and is just as configurable, it's honestly great. If you primarily listen to local music files, tho, yeah, Winamp standalone + the plugin is probably the better option with the new Winamp Community Project making much needed updates to the media player.

I don't get it why you would use spotify...I never was foolish enough to fall for that. You're giving up freedom imo, that said it must be my age, I've collected so much music (digitally)
last 2 decades and the power of Winamp which I use since 1997 the very first Winamp,
while most friends at school still were using tape and cd's.
People who use Spotify obviously listen to playlists which you can make for yourself too
if you use Winamp.

ProjectM would stand out imo if they add to the already great Milkdrop, most of the
preset were made by people who knew how to make the preset files for Milkdrop,
but having background in there maybe metadata from the stream you're listening to
or locally, would be an awesome feat, with this I mean Album art etc, frontside, backside and inside of the LP, cd etc..

I too had a few decades worth of "Legally Obtained" music. When I had a fire and fried my CDs and hard disk backups services like Spotify I could not imagine being without. I for one do not have the resources to obtain those CDs again so for the cost of 1 album per month you can access thousands of artists songs. The artists you listen to get paid. And I dont lose anything in another disaster. So streaming for me is a godsend.

[Ron]

Originally posted by JM_VFX:

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

I don't get it why you would use spotify...I never was foolish enough to fall for that. You're giving up freedom imo, that said it must be my age, I've collected so much music (digitally)
last 2 decades and the power of Winamp which I use since 1997 the very first Winamp,
while most friends at school still were using tape and cd's.
People who use Spotify obviously listen to playlists which you can make for yourself too
if you use Winamp.

ProjectM would stand out imo if they add to the already great Milkdrop, most of the
preset were made by people who knew how to make the preset files for Milkdrop,
but having background in there maybe metadata from the stream you're listening to
or locally, would be an awesome feat, with this I mean Album art etc, frontside, backside and inside of the LP, cd etc..

I too had a few decades worth of "Legally Obtained" music. When I had a fire and fried my CDs and hard disk backups services like Spotify I could not imagine being without. I for one do not have the resources to obtain those CDs again so for the cost of 1 album per month you can access thousands of artists songs. The artists you listen to get paid. And I dont lose anything in another disaster. So streaming for me is a godsend.

Artist are complaining about the payment, anyone that's isn't big enough to end up in the well know Spotify playlists are being exploited, IF you really want to support you favorite bands you should buy their music on Bandcamp and give a little extra!
I'll tell you something you will think about. Before there were Spotifiy playlists you had DJ's on the radio channels in all countries, those guys decided in some sense which songs
would be the hits in his or her country, ofcourse people in each country have different tast
so you see how many variables you have for band to score a nr. 1 hit globally!

Spotify changed this for and now but a few people are responsible what will be a nr.1
hit or what ends up in playlists. this is maffia practises, very very unfair!

[JM_VFX]

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Originally posted by JM_VFX:

I too had a few decades worth of "Legally Obtained" music. When I had a fire and fried my CDs and hard disk backups services like Spotify I could not imagine being without. I for one do not have the resources to obtain those CDs again so for the cost of 1 album per month you can access thousands of artists songs. The artists you listen to get paid. And I dont lose anything in another disaster. So streaming for me is a godsend.

Artist are complaining about the payment, anyone that's isn't big enough to end up in the well know Spotify playlists are being exploited, IF you really want to support you favorite bands you should buy their music on Bandcamp and give a little extra!
I'll tell you something you will think about. Before there were Spotifiy playlists you had DJ's on the radio channels in all countries, those guys decided in some sense which songs
would be the hits in his or her country, ofcourse people in each country have different tast
so you see how many variables you have for band to score a nr. 1 hit globally!

Spotify changed this for and now but a few people are responsible what will be a nr.1
hit or what ends up in playlists. this is maffia practises, very very unfair!

Here is a wild thought. If smaller bands are so bad off on Spotify then why are they on there? One of my royalty free artist I follow made enough from music streaming that he is widely expanding building a massive house with full recording studio and streaming is his only income on it as you cannot buy his stuff at all. So I think its the bands doing a sob story. Here is the really funny thing usually the only thing that major label bands make money off of is live shows. Album sales cut more to the publisher same with streaming. Small bands on Spotify make 100% of the cash and its not chump change if they actually promote themselves and its good music.

[bog maiden]

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Originally posted by Lt. Four Vaginas:

If it seems like Milkdrop that's because this for all intents and purposes *is* Milkdrop. Enough so that you can even put MD presets from Winamp into projectM no problem.

Where this shines though that I feel Milkdrop lacks is you can only use Milkdrop in Winamp and it only reacts to Winamp's audio. But sometimes it's nice to have a visualizer when vibing to Spotify or on your second monitor when playing a game if you have one.

While I'm sure you CAN finagle Milkdrop to listen to audio from other sources through Winamp, considering this uses the same base and is just as configurable, it's honestly great. If you primarily listen to local music files, tho, yeah, Winamp standalone + the plugin is probably the better option with the new Winamp Community Project making much needed updates to the media player.

I don't get it why you would use spotify...I never was foolish enough to fall for that. You're giving up freedom imo, that said it must be my age, I've collected so much music (digitally)
last 2 decades and the power of Winamp which I use since 1997 the very first Winamp,
while most friends at school still were using tape and cd's.
People who use Spotify obviously listen to playlists which you can make for yourself too
if you use Winamp.

ProjectM would stand out imo if they add to the already great Milkdrop, most of the
preset were made by people who knew how to make the preset files for Milkdrop,
but having background in there maybe metadata from the stream you're listening to
or locally, would be an awesome feat, with this I mean Album art etc, frontside, backside and inside of the LP, cd etc..

Mostly just use it for the radio function now that Last.FM stopped having a radio feature. This helps me discover new music. My local library is over 1TB, so it's not as though I rely on streaming services. A friend offered to add me to their Premium so I took up the offer and sometimes having a curated Internet radio with similar artist and discover features is nice.

Originally posted by JM_VFX:

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Artist are complaining about the payment, anyone that's isn't big enough to end up in the well know Spotify playlists are being exploited, IF you really want to support you favorite bands you should buy their music on Bandcamp and give a little extra!
I'll tell you something you will think about. Before there were Spotifiy playlists you had DJ's on the radio channels in all countries, those guys decided in some sense which songs
would be the hits in his or her country, ofcourse people in each country have different tast
so you see how many variables you have for band to score a nr. 1 hit globally!

Spotify changed this for and now but a few people are responsible what will be a nr.1
hit or what ends up in playlists. this is maffia practises, very very unfair!

Here is a wild thought. If smaller bands are so bad off on Spotify then why are they on there? One of my royalty free artist I follow made enough from music streaming that he is widely expanding building a massive house with full recording studio and streaming is his only income on it as you cannot buy his stuff at all. So I think its the bands doing a sob story. Here is the really funny thing usually the only thing that major label bands make money off of is live shows. Album sales cut more to the publisher same with streaming. Small bands on Spotify make 100% of the cash and its not chump change if they actually promote themselves and its good music.

Ehhh the payrates are still terrible for artists. Spotify offers $0.0034 while Apple Music offers $0.01, which adds up to a LOT more quickly. While artists can make money through Spotify, it isn't enough for it to be their sole income (and by that I mean totally, not just musically...so in other words have a day job unless you tour, release copies on Bandcamp or physically, or do commissions for royalty free background music). I mean, theoretically, it's definitely possibly, but it's more or less luck if you end up like the artist you mentioned. The reason why Spotify, though, is simply two-fold: it's ubiquitous in today's music world as well as there being a super low barrier to entry. You can, as an indie artist, get your tracks on Spotify with little to no effort. I did for my ambient project I had in University. Not sure if I delisted it or not since it's not good at all and I have a bit of past shame for it, but the reason everyone is on it is because it's easy and wide reaching. That doesn't make it the best tool for the job.

[Ron]

Originally posted by JM_VFX:

Here is a wild thought. If smaller bands are so bad off on Spotify then why are they on there? One of my royalty free artist I follow made enough from music streaming that he is widely expanding building a massive house with full recording studio and streaming is his only income on it as you cannot buy his stuff at all. So I think its the bands doing a sob story. Here is the really funny thing usually the only thing that major label bands make money off of is live shows. Album sales cut more to the publisher same with streaming. Small bands on Spotify make 100% of the cash and its not chump change if they actually promote themselves and its good music.

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And that's the problem! They make millions upon millions per day on Artists that are on spotify, there is a fundamental problem in the streaming enviroment, people are being exploited for the sake of having everything in one App, and discovering new music is a
endavour you can do well without being on a streaming service, I find new music all the time I have have never used anything like Spotify.
Last year the CEO of Spotify said you'll ought to make new music more often and put it on our streaming service, which make alot of heads turn and get angry.
Enough said, this is an ongoing discussion I am unlikely to clear up, people are ignorant
and they will always be, it's in their nature to abide,trust and go for the east route.
It's the same with whatsapp, which I found is very hard to persuade people to get into using Sigal instead, due to the private policy that has changed as an result of Facebook
paying whatsapp 16 billion in a deal that makes it legit for facebook to get even more
data to exploit people in the future for marketing reseaons! so yeah, stay ignorant
and do what ever you like.

[bog maiden]

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Originally posted by JM_VFX:

Here is a wild thought. If smaller bands are so bad off on Spotify then why are they on there? One of my royalty free artist I follow made enough from music streaming that he is widely expanding building a massive house with full recording studio and streaming is his only income on it as you cannot buy his stuff at all. So I think its the bands doing a sob story. Here is the really funny thing usually the only thing that major label bands make money off of is live shows. Album sales cut more to the publisher same with streaming. Small bands on Spotify make 100% of the cash and its not chump change if they actually promote themselves and its good music.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And that's the problem! They make millions upon millions per day on Artists that are on spotify, there is a fundamental problem in the streaming enviroment, people are being exploited for the sake of having everything in one App, and discovering new music is a
endavour you can do well without being on a streaming service, I find new music all the time I have have never used anything like Spotify.
Last year the CEO of Spotify said you'll ought to make new music more often and put it on our streaming service, which make alot of heads turn and get angry.
Enough said, this is an ongoing discussion I am unlikely to clear up, people are ignorant
and they will always be, it's in their nature to abide,trust and go for the east route.
It's the same with whatsapp, which I found is very hard to persuade people to get into using Sigal instead, due to the private policy that has changed as an result of Facebook
paying whatsapp 16 billion in a deal that makes it legit for facebook to get even more
data to exploit people in the future for marketing reseaons! so yeah, stay ignorant
and do what ever you like.

Look, I get that you take music seriously as well as want to support the artists. This is all well and good. But to act as though the application has absolutely no value and that anyone who dare even THINK of using it is a bad person or ignorant is not a great look. Not everyone has the money to buy everything physically, and if you plan on torrenting or the like to 'own' a copy, you aren't supporting anyone. Can people find music without it? Absolutely. Is it difficult? Not particularly. Is Spotify still a nice tool to just pick a curated radio station so that when you are driving or at the gym or otherwise not home you can play music and potentially discover new artists without fiddling around with playlists? Certainly. Likewise it's also nice when you don't currently have the funds to buy a particular album but want to see if it is something you'd want to get with next paycheck or perhaps find someone else worthy of your support.

I don't like their business practices, but the service itself isn't some sort of evil. Could they pay more? Sure. But they also do make it easier for indie artists to gain a following, and by and large that following is more likely to go to shows, buy merch, or purchase albums. Spotify and streaming services don't exist in a vacuum and people who use those services still do *gasp* buy music! Shocking! I will say that it has placed a large emphasis on tracks as opposed to albums changing how the top charts are dictated, but since why has any serious music buff been concerned with what Billboard says they should be listening to?

[bog maiden]

[midori]

Originally posted by Lt. Four Vaginas:

If it seems like Milkdrop that's because this for all intents and purposes *is* Milkdrop. Enough so that you can even put MD presets from Winamp into projectM no problem.

Where this shines though that I feel Milkdrop lacks is you can only use Milkdrop in Winamp and it only reacts to Winamp's audio. But sometimes it's nice to have a visualizer when vibing to Spotify or on your second monitor when playing a game if you have one.

While I'm sure you CAN finagle Milkdrop to listen to audio from other sources through Winamp, considering this uses the same base and is just as configurable, it's honestly great. If you primarily listen to local music files, tho, yeah, Winamp standalone + the plugin is probably the better option with the new Winamp Community Project making much needed updates to the media player.

You can use milkdrop with foobar too. which is what I'm currently using because I can't make projectM go highter than 30/25 fps.
WACUP is good, but it still doesn't have native .ogg support and some files won't play properly without you fiddling with each single one. which is less than ideal.

[Shawny]

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Don't be a streaming slave..

You can absolutely make Winamp's PM work with streaming services by going to Open URL and typing linein://
This will make the visualization work with whatever your speakers are hearing. :D

[TheWashableBomb]

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Don't be a streaming slave..

You can take this comment and shove it up your ass.

[Ron]

Originally posted by TheWashableBomb:

Originally posted by MUSE AXE:

Don't be a streaming slave..

You can take this comment and shove it up your ass.

WTH??