I must be unveiling secrets wrong

[notyourboddhisatva]

I can tell some videos have the black and white secret scenes, but I roll forward and back with a combination of keyboard and controller. Sometimes the scene plays and sometimes it won't no matter how much I try.

SoE 85B 4/5/1999 right when she says that isn't right - nothing I do to try to select is working

[Fien]

I used my keyboard. Press the left arrow on your keyboard once, pause when you hear the rumbling or start seeing something, and then *hold* the left arrow on the screen. It's actually a very easy one to catch, so the combination of keyboard and controller might be the problem.

[CarotideEtude]

You can use Shift plus arrows to move frame by frame which will always start the secrets.

[Fien]

Originally posted by CarotideEtude:

You can use Shift plus arrows to move frame by frame which will always start the secrets.

Not for me. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Like in the very last clip of 2OE, where I only get the nested scenes by pressing the keyboard arrow once.

[Kumagoro]

I have the same issue. Did you ever work it out?

[Dougomite]

Yeah I think different scenes require different rewind speeds and probably different requirements, like pausing or not. I would just have to keep trying, rewinding slower/faster, or pausing when the staticyness of the scene goes away...but even then I was never positive how or why some difficult ones would suddenly work or not.

[Kumagoro]

In my case, it was actually a hardware issue (or two). I had just changed the graphics array and erroneously plugged the video cable into a 30 Hz port rather than a 60 Hz port (I didn't know my monitor even had the former). Turns out if the refresh rate is too low, the game might sometimes skip exactly the frame you needed to "subvert", making it a pain to catch it.
I was also using the left joystick of the controller. It works much better with the right one (until that point, I had assumed they were the same).

After I fixed these issues, it became trivial to unlock the subverted videos. You can just go to the end of a clip, rewind at the fastest speed, stop after you get the audio cue, then quickly search for the exact threshold between the two videos and keep pressing left on the pad until it switches. Sometimes I was able to press left on the fly while the video was rewinding, if I was quick enough after hearing the audio cue.

For the nested videos, it's the same, but with inverted controls (for the even-numbered nested ones; the odd-numbered go back to normal direction). I found out those switch almost automatically at the end of the previous one, though (for instance, the five nested videos in the original clip we start the game with). You just have to change playing direction with the pad and it immediately switches. The game wants you to see those.

[Razadune]

Originally posted by Dougomite:

Yeah I think different scenes require different rewind speeds and probably different requirements, like pausing or not. I would just have to keep trying, rewinding slower/faster, or pausing when the staticyness of the scene goes away...but even then I was never positive how or why some difficult ones would suddenly work or not.

They do; I know there's one or two that you have to fast forward to initiate, but most of them are by rewinding.

The easiest way to trigger them is to use a controller, get to where you hear the sound and get the vibration, and then hold left on the d-pad to scrub frame by frame. That's worked for me on most of them far better than anything else, although using the triggers to FF and Rewind to get it situated is necessary a lot of the time, too.

Holding the frame by frame rewind is the easiest way to get them to work, just make sure and stop when you hear the "schlup" noise that indicates a scene transition so it starts playing what you found.