Loreful integration of sex

[youngmastermatt]

Hello! Just wanted to say thanks for releasing the demo.

A lot of people here have rightfully pointed out the comparative lack of sexual content in the game. I am here to second this notion. A game where one plays as a literal sex demoness should indeed have a strong sexual element to it, or else it's simply Agony 2.0.

However, I don't feel that turning the game into a cringy porn simulator is the answer, either (since lord knows there's enough of those on Steam already). What I propose is to increase the sexuality of the game, but in a way that makes sense given the universe it inhabits.

According to myth, a Succubus couples with mortals to essentially feed upon their souls. This is often— if not always— a poor deal for the victim, and should be reflected as such in game.

Were I in charge, I would have these encounters be a sort of minigame, with only a limited number of "worthy" souls in our heroine's path. Feeding upon these victims would be optional but worth one's while. Some— the easier ones— would be actively seeking her out. Other, more powerful, victims would be more difficult to "seduce" but yield greater rewards. The exact mechanics of these minigames I leave open to discussion, but the soul energy gained from successful encounters would be "currency" to be spent on upgraded powers and such.

Naturally I stipulate that these seductions be as explicit as we'd all expect :)

Were this idea to be integrated it would go far in making we, the players, actually feel like we were playing as a succubus while still preventing the game from becoming a ridiculous porn simulator.

Thoughts?

[DI3SIRAE]

This demon from Agony universe is not exactly the same as we are used to, in 'our' world. 'Our' myths.

The succubus demon (succubi?) are actually the fallen priestesses. Maybe they are a parody of the virgins, who were seen as pure and like angels, now lost their 'wings' and are violent and like to torture their victims, or to tease them to no end. The prey becoming the hunter, as we could say?

In this Demo, they say there is a new breed of the Succubi, who were beautiful girls raped in the orgies of Nimrod. After they became demons, they just started to slack off.

This doesn't mean in any way they lust for sex neither that they acquire power from sexual acts.
They don't want to 'reward' anyone. They want revenge, they want to cause pain and torture. They want their own pleasure, they don't want to give pleasure to damned souls or Chorts.

In resume, the Succubi from Agony universe, as it seens, don't need sex in any way. If they do it, it is with their own or just to tease as a form of torture.

They don't need to introduce sex as a mini game, and there is no need for us to have sex in the game.

It is hell. Sex is a blessed thing, divine on it's own. Sex is pleasure and a way to form a new life.
If there is sex in Hell, it will be torture and rape. Not seduction, in any way.

They already introducted a Martyr in the Demo. You see him, you tease him and then you torture and kill him. That's it. No sex.
But i believe the main game will have something more 'intense', prob with a Chort. No seduction, either. Prob rape.

So, the succubus is not a 'sex demon', and she gains her life from torture and from killing others.

Of course i may be wrong here and there, but i'm talking about what the GAME offers, not what we wanted, or how it is in our world's myths.

[youngmastermatt]

It's interesting to me that they would call the protagonist a "succubus", if she has no interest in sex. Do you have a developer link where they more fully explain the in-game lore?

[DI3SIRAE]

Nope, nothing right now, but you have a Bestiary in this Demo talking about how the succubus were the girls taken for the rituals, and all of this was seen in Agony.
Succubus were only seen enjoying themselves. Or Nimrod.

Whenever they were with others, it was to torture or find joy in their pain.

[youngmastermatt]

Ah, okay. I didn't unlock the succubus character in the beastiary, and so missed that description of her.

[DI3SIRAE]

No problem and sorry, i just wanted mature games that have nudity wihtout 'fanservice' lol
Hard to find. Most are either made just for the p**n, or are not for kids but are afraid of showing nudity and things like that.

[Tracido]

Hmm, I only thought she might get life force or even soul energy from pleasing herself off of others, otherwise, I don't care, it just fits the lore of her as a succubus to have that kind of capability.. Kinda silly to not think of that anyway. I just enjoy the battling and near RPG aspect of the upgrades as well.

[OcarinaBravo]

all of these are correct, btw, theres another idea that succubus' copulate with males to birth new demons, and the much older thought that they copulate with males, harvest their sperm then become an incubus and impregnate women. Theres pretty much no real clear idea of what they are, especially since they started off as grotesque ugly things that raped you in your sleep as sleep paralysis. haha. I like their take on it and I feel it makes the most sense.

[Sililos]

Been thinking about this myself, the worthy souls part is a cool idea.

Idea i had is in your 'Home' you have 3 summoning portals.
One takes you to a private 'room' where you get to torture a perticually deserving person and gain XP or some kind of currency for it. Essentually doing the more iconic demon role in hell.

The other portal finds you inside a summoning circle on Earth and the minigame, you have to either make a contract or convince the summoner to have sex with you.
In return you gain ownership of their soul increseing your power.

3rd is just the outright porn portal, no need to ever step foot in there if thats not what you want to see.

Puts the power of this content in the players hand while remaining friendly to Demon/Succubus lore (Biblical lore anyway).

[TheHellMessenger]

It's an interesting idea for sure, but there are still many layers of our game that we didn't present yet, so stay with us a bit longer, before we can show you everything that's up our sleeves. We simply couldn't show everything in the Prologue

[Sililos]

Publicado originalmente por TheHellMessenger:

It's an interesting idea for sure, but there are still many layers of our game that we didn't present yet, so stay with us a bit longer, before we can show you everything that's up our sleeves. We simply couldn't show everything in the Prologue

Thanks for the great game, Been enjoying it a lot and loved Agony. Cant wait for the full release.

[Veyron722skyhook]

At the very least, I hope there's also the opportunity for some player/female scenes as well.
Yes admittedly we've only seen previews of two scenes so far, but they were still only player/male. Add to the fact also Agony's sex scenes were mostly player (male)/female.

Be nice at least if the Succubus int his game can be very flexible. Perhaps even also enjoying some of them rather than it mostly being the other one that's really enjoying it while she doesn't really care.

Just thought I'd say in case it somehow helps make a difference to the finished game.

[FreshRevenge]

I don't want a porn simulator per se. Yet I would like the option to engage in sex acts without ripping someone's face off. I mean I played Skyrim and Fallout 4 with sex mods and even though they were really good to get lost in watching the animations. It was never really part of the story.

I would like if Succubus could incorporate sex into it without making it feel like a waste of time. Like having the option of going back to the lair and having a sex slave between missions etc.

I haven't really seen a developer really incorporate the 3 crucial elements with sex. 1 is good gameplay mechanics. 2 is good level design. 3 good story telling. If you can incorporate those 3 with sex and still make it engaging.

I think mainly because most adult games are not really going to sell to a large audience and won't be pick up by Sony or Xbox if sex acts are involved.

[DI3SIRAE]

I really feel like a waste of development to implement full sex scenes for the player to engage in.
Sex must be part of the main story to not feel absolutely out of place. And if it is like that, then you won't have it at your own pleasure as player, but it will just happen, not be an option that you can select over and over.

In Lust for Beyond: Scarlet, for example, you have sex in the game, and they may add an option to have sex in some parts of the game if you want. But the game is about it, people there want it and the main character also want it (even if forced to).

Here in Succubus, we have a Succubus in rage who wants to reap hell apart. Wasting time having sex with miserable martyrs just feel out of place. Pleasuring herself with chorts feel out of place. I mean, if this just happens as part of the story, it's perfectly fine. But going out in your mission and suddenly stop to give some pleasure to the ones you were slaughtering? For me, it would feel forced and not interesting.

It is more her style to torture and feel pleasure from violence than wasting time with normal sex.
But i guess the devs will still implement 'normal' sex in the game, just hope this won't be poor fan service and something i'll want to skip.

While we can blend sex with a good game without problems, there must be a good reason for it to be a choice.
Just having sex for the sake of pleasuring the player kills part of the 'immersion' of the game, like 'why am i even doing this right now?'.

Of course, just my opinion, i'm not really trying to win the discussion over anyone, just want to play a nice game later

[youngmastermatt]

@Di#sirae

I wouldn't want there to be a "have sex anytime you want" option in the game. You're right— sex to a Succubus is about power and feeding first and pleasure a distant second. The sex would need to serve that purpose, not just be some porn simulator.

That's why I suggested what I suggested— that there be certain "powerful" NPCs (particularly evil people in their former lives) whose life force could be absorbed by the heroine. This life force could give stat bonuses or be used to unlock powers. It could even be modeled after the way that the Bioshock games approached the Little Sisters— the player could either save them (for lesser power), kill them (for greater power), or do nothing with them at all.

I suppose that the Succubus version of this would be to take *all* of the victim's life force (thus killing them) or taking less of it but having them be available as a sort of one-off ally NPC for tough situations later on.

[DI3SIRAE]

I still don't think this mechanic fits the succubus Madmind presented to us, but NOW that's an interesting idea. Being able to force-feed (aka sex) with damned souls that can share power with you could work.
Like some hidden guy/girl trapped behind a puzzle or just in some hard to reach place (as a 'secret'), where you can feed on them for upgrades or just collectibles.
Now i'm on it XD