Feedback ranked arena

[ILoveVydija]

Hello i played completly the prologue especially the ranked arena, i will write a review.

First i love competitive so i have been really happy to find it !

When i start, it was fun but now it's totally NOT fun.

Because when i finished my three first game on low wave, i had enough fps
When i started to understand game mechanics, i achieved to go deeper on the arena but now that's totally unplayable for me, after wave 8, i start to have low fps and sometimes freeze.

Problem is when i am deep 10+, i want to beat my best and i got a freeze, it happens to be able to play only after losing one third of Vydija's life, arena is quick, i have to be permanetly on control and one second freeze or low fps can be destructive for the personnal record attempt.


it's frustrating because I'm not responsible but i die or i lose a lot of life. I'm currently rank 1 and i would love to improve my best to not being beat because i'm a competitor but when i'm doing good, i don't want low fps to destroy my attempt, i want lose because i've been bad at the game ^^

I tried to put graphics low and play lower resolution but it makes no change. I've pretty good (but not amazing) PC specs intel core i7 7700, GTX 1060 6GO, 16GO, 128GO SSD.

Problem is everyone should be able to try to beat me without a 5000$ computer and without low fps. The challenge is not fun for the moment because of low fps but with higher fps, it would be REALLY NICE ♥♥♥♥ YEAH ^^

I took a lot of fun on ranked Agony mod too but we have less entity to deal so better fps and in case of still low fps or freeze, 1s lose will not kill you on Agony mod. On Succubus that's really different.

Kisses and thanks you for the prologue !

[ILoveVydija]

I improved my best, after the second day.

I'm now playing at 1280*720 and low quality :/
Still got performances issues sadly

About game balancing i feel the chort too much health, that's boring to dodge, dodge, dodge that guy for 5 minutes until he dies.

Other things i didn't had enough time to record but Chort can be stuck on Arena if we go close to a spawn, he can jump in the spawn and stay inside, you can free kill him, he can't do anything. It happened only once but happened

A good balancing could be to prevent him to being stuck and being a free kill but give him a lower life like -25% -30% and may be buff his damage because he is the stronger ennemy like +15%

[ILoveVydija]

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There are problem with display too, looks the screens to understand.
Everytime there is the classement

[ILoveVydija]

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After played i've understood how points are calculated.

You made :

score = wave * survival time

exemple 1 : 26*(48*60+57) = 76 362

exemple 2 : 27*(40*60+48)= 66 096

According to me that's a bad choice. Because i could stop to kill ennemy at wave 10 let five/six guys alive and only doing the circle move and wait ten hours.

At the end i would have kill few ennemy and done few waves but if i calculate i will be

10*10*60*60 = 360 000

I would litteraly destroy the score of the wave 27 guys. Should i deserve to have a better score than him for being able to run ?


I saw if i stay too long at a wave, the next wave will not spawn, first i though that was a bug and most of players will think that's a bug, now i understand that's to prevent abuse but if i want abuse, i can still with your score = wave * survival time formulae, i've only to let 5-6 guys alive and doing circle for few days.

I could litteraly bet i'm able to make 1 000 000 pts with that formulae.

According to me the solution is to calculate with death ennemy, we don't care of survival time, it should even lower the score, it's harder to go wave 10 in less than 10 min than taking 30min to make it.

An exemple could be :

1 martyr = 5 pt * current_waves
1 amazon = 10 pts * current_waves
1 onoskellis = 25 pts * current_waves
1 chort = 100 pts * current_waves
1 minute = - 50 pts

exemple :

I make two waves :

first wave : i killed 10 onos , 30 martyr
second wave : i killed 30 amazons , 50 martyr
time : 10min

my score should be : (25*10*1+5*30*1) + (10*30*2+5*50*2) - 10*50 = 400 + 1 100 - 500 = 1000 pts

1) you don't have to avoid slow players to continue to play if they are really slow to finish a wave because they are penalized
2) you can't really abuse that formulae to be rank 1
3) wave and ennemy killed are the only high rewards for the score, so only skill with give you the first place


CAREFULL ! Have a look on the scoreboard there is a guy 2 147 000 000 points and that's competly impossible, he played 7 hours succubus and he should have done wave 80 000+ for being able to got that score.

[TheHellMessenger]

Thanks for all the feedback! We'll have a closer look at our formulas and try to implement the right changes in the future.

When it comes to performance. Are you experiencing any improvements after the latest patch was released?

[ILoveVydija]

Hello dear Hell Messenger,

I tried today after read your message. So i can make a second feedback.

---1- Again a not funny guys ---

check on : https://www.casimages.com/i/200730095635418599.png.html

The second guy took first place until i played today.

But after i saw 3/4 guys with impossible score, i feel like that one probably cheated too to be first previously because you're not gonna tryhard to be first to finally write some hate content about the game like :

"Helltaker > Succubus pepelaugh"

Helltaker is a free 2D game.

You kicked previous cheater but that's not enough, i don't want to see that kind of players with weblink or hate about the game on their account name anymore. And i want to be sure everyone on the top leaderboard did their score without cheating.

You should try to avoid the hack they used to be first multiple times instead of only kick them from leaderboard, to find and correct how they did it.

If it's impossible, that's ok, you can make a manual check like the 7 best run have to be record and upload on youtube their game before appear on top 7 leaderboard.

Like i did on Agony : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYPnPNBXFGA&t=6s so you can see there is no cheat or abuse. And you can prevent the "Helltaker > Succubus pepelaugh" nickname to be on top leaderboard or nnhentai web link.

---2 What about performance ? ----

I have more fps and that's why i did better but it is still not enough, i had still really low frames on waves 25+, if i have low frames, i can't record my game.

---3 Ennemy stuck ---

I saw multiples times a stuck ennemy on the Arena. That's minor. it breaks the immersion

---4 Gameplay ---

I loved much the gameplay but i have still a complain, Vydija is a queen warrior and on the arena, the best way to go deeper is to run away then send fire, run away, send fire ... that's a pretty coward gameplay. The best gameplay to make a good score should be aggressiveness according to the main character Vydija feelings.

Aggressiveness should be rewarded, for example i shouldn't gain fury points while using thorns because i'm not at body to body and fury points could be more interesting if i had something like vampirism : regen from x% of damage you did during fury BUT not too much, i'm now able to survive one hour, waves 36 so if i regen myself completly on each fury, i will never die.

[TheHellMessenger]

We are currently working on improving performance. The prologue is based on an early version of the game, so you can expect a lot of improvement with the full release.

[ILoveVydija]

dont Forget i am a big fan ! Otherwise i wouldnt have play for 20 hours prologue ^^ your work is amazing ^^

[ILoveVydija]

Hey bug found with replay : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tgpt_9kz_8

and (look on the ground, there is a martyr stuck) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2185361667

same guy than previously with helltaker > succubus pepelaugh as nickmane
and pretty sure that's the same guy than previous player with impossible score that you deleted too

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[76561198129586975]

ur just garbage vivien haha

[ILoveVydija]

Steam account level 0, hidden profile, where is your bravery ?

And why are you losing your time to hate the game and me ?

[ILoveVydija]

here is a new bug i found : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCK73_ZkL3g

[ILoveVydija]

because it made me laugh still so i put it highligh ^^

[TheHellMessenger]

Thanks again for the reports! We will check them out.

[ILoveVydija]

Thanks to you for the game !

Last advise, promise.

When i took some damage at the start of the Arena, i know i have litteraly no chance to beat my wave 36 record. Most of my attempt are now cancelled before wave 18. It's really frustrating because of two elements. Now imagine i'm wave 8, i've lost already half my health bar.

1-

To restart i have to make exit menu => play => press any key => press e => press e again => world map => play ranked mod => play

I should have a restart option ^^

2-

If i play better after wave 8, that's still over. I have no chance to come back because objectively i can't survive for 28 waves remaining with half my health bar with a personnal record at 36 with the complete health bar. That's an other point in favour of regen when on fury mod.

In an other hand if you really did bad you should be punish harshly. Most of damage you took are anecdotal, one little martyr hurt you, you can say "oops no chance and there is low fps". But if you took 3 hurts on the same wave, that's not about chance or fps : you did really bad. So the second and third hurt should damage me a lot more.

Thanks again for the game, i know i gave a lot of advice but i'm a huge fan and i really enjoyed the game, i've wanted to involve myself into :)

[TheHellMessenger]

Please bring as much of feedback as possible. It's all valuable to us :)