is this game p2w?

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[Kaos]

Pay 2 Win, Pay 2 Progress
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[Scheneighnay]

Xaphnir původně napsal:

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

Pay-to-win first needs to be competitive, and second paying needs to get you something otherwise unobtainable with no unpaid equivalent.

♥♥♥♥♥♥' rehashing arguments made a month ago in this thread...

Name a game that's pay-to-win by your definition. Name one. Just one. Can you do it?

War Thunder and Enlisted. Premium vehicles, items, and squads in both games are unobtainable normally and peerless in most cases, even after they just got nerfed in Enlisted.

[DevilDaRebel]

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

Xaphnir původně napsal:

♥♥♥♥♥♥' rehashing arguments made a month ago in this thread...

Name a game that's pay-to-win by your definition. Name one. Just one. Can you do it?

War Thunder and Enlisted. Premium vehicles, items, and squads in both games are unobtainable normally and peerless in most cases, even after they just got nerfed in Enlisted.

I would argue War Thunder isn't p2w, the premium vehicles in the games at one point have been p2w with no free equivalent like the KA-50 but currently there are no premium vehicle that does not have a free equivalent in the main tech tree that is just as good or flat out better. Not sure about Enlisted, never played it.

A good example was World of Tanks with their premium gold ammo that you had to buy with cash, which rightfully had so much flak and complaint they made it obtainable by in-game means. Asian based MMO's are notorious for cash exclusive items like stated.

This dude is off the dope, he remembers the same definition used WEEKS ago but conveniently dismissed these same examples with something along the lines of "never actually happening." I would find the quote but I rather bash my head against a wall than continuing to repeat the same point over and over until these deluded illiterates decide to comprehend.

[Ready2produce]

This must be what hell is like ... Eternal yak, yak, yak.

[Jimmy Hunter]

Goblin původně napsal:

I wasn't speaking to you.

This is a public forum board. You're speaking to the community when posting here.

Don't want others to respond? Go PM the user you want to speak to privately.

[Xaphnir]

DevilDaRebel původně napsal:

This dude is off the dope, he remembers the same definition used WEEKS ago but conveniently dismissed these same examples with something along the lines of "never actually happening." I would find the quote but I rather bash my head against a wall than continuing to repeat the same point over and over until these deluded illiterates decide to comprehend.

Translation: you would find the quote but you can't because it doesn't exist.

The ultimate point that needs to be addressed is this: what is the definition of pay-to-win? Can you show that the commonly accepted definition is the extremely restrictive one you're using? Because I can show numerous sources that use my definition.

[Scheneighnay]

Xaphnir původně napsal:

DevilDaRebel původně napsal:

This dude is off the dope, he remembers the same definition used WEEKS ago but conveniently dismissed these same examples with something along the lines of "never actually happening." I would find the quote but I rather bash my head against a wall than continuing to repeat the same point over and over until these deluded illiterates decide to comprehend.

Translation: you would find the quote but you can't because it doesn't exist.

The ultimate point that needs to be addressed is this: what is the definition of pay-to-win? Can you show that the commonly accepted definition is the extremely restrictive one you're using? Because I can show numerous sources that use my definition.

"Numerous sources" being the eternal "everything should be free and effortless" crowd.

[Xaphnir]

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

"Numerous sources" being the eternal "everything should be free and effortless" crowd.

Search "pay to win."

Tell me what pretty much the entire first page of results says.

[Xaphnir]

DevilDaRebel původně napsal:

Like in the third page of this damned thread, AFTER games were specifically MENTIONED by NAME and specifically HOW it fit the term, this clown was still trying to imply that there was no such games and I quote "If (any) game that meet the definition that's laid out by the..."

My bad, I see that mentioned now. I wasn't paying attention to the thread at that point, but I should have read it.

I still maintain my statement that very few games meet the definition you've laid out, as games I would consider P2W are specifically designed to technically allow everything non-cosmetic to be obtained without paying so that people will defend them in the way you are now. Even one of the games you mentioned earlier in this thread, World of Tanks, now allows F2P players to obtain a limited about of gold ammo without paying for this reason.

[zeus]

Xaphnir původně napsal:

Search "pay to win."

Tell me what pretty much the entire first page of results says.

You can't really argue with people that have no brain. They go as far as to change the definition of something to fit their criteria and then back it up with their claims based on nothing but their egocentric POV, when it is commonly known that P2W stands for paying for any sort of advantage in a game, over other players. This has been the BASIC definition of the expression "pay to win", everything else that came after is people manipulating the expression to get away with what it actually represents.

The moment they say "P2W is exclusive to games that offer unique things available only via items", they are literally being part of the problem as they are helping devs get away with this stuff, which is the core idea of bonds in runescape, they offer good things and bad things, these idiots are only focusing on the good things and skip the bad things. You can't comprehend human stupidity, why would someone go as far as to do something like this that DEFENDS bad practices in the gaming industry, this is no different than attempting to deflect the reality of micro transactions. The only real thing backing up their stupidity is: self guilt. Once someone knows they have done something wrong and do not accept the reality of things, they often like to deflect everything to the side, to make it believable that they aren't doing anything wrong, so therefore, it is fine to do any of this stuff in the end and attempt to tell others "it is fine to spend coin to get advantages".


PAY TO WIN is like the big parent of all the other expressions that "spawned" after pay to win, the fact that people think PAY TO PROGRESS is something that has no sort of relation with PAY TO WIN is just mindblowing. Pay to progress is the spawn of these lightheaded creatures, as an attempt to justify their lack of morals in the long run.

This entire comment section could be summed up with the "people in mobile game ads meme". The people saying this game has no elements of pay to win are the same people in those mobile ads, struggling to do simple puzzles by putting the pieces together.

[Scheneighnay]

Xaphnir původně napsal:

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

"Numerous sources" being the eternal "everything should be free and effortless" crowd.

Search "pay to win."

Tell me what pretty much the entire first page of results says.

I don't care what you or your echo chamber of gibsmedats think.

[Xaphnir]

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

Xaphnir původně napsal:

Search "pay to win."

Tell me what pretty much the entire first page of results says.

I don't care what you or your echo chamber of gibsmedats think.

So you don't care what the commonly accepted definition of the term is, then. You just want your definition, and you don't care if other people generally don't use it.

[Scheneighnay]

Xaphnir původně napsal:

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

I don't care what you or your echo chamber of gibsmedats think.

So you don't care what the commonly accepted definition of the term is, then. You just want your definition, and you don't care if other people generally don't use it.

I gave my justification to the OP, you can keep whining like you have been and will continue to.

[BuzzardBee]

To end this stupid debate: P2W is Eve Online, where you can actually purchase ingame cash with real world money so you can buy ingame advantages such as superior weapons, ships and other items whereas Runescape is NOT because you can only basically purchase a chance to win (through Treasure Hunter keys) ingame cosmetics. Anything else you can buy with real world money still won't give you any sort of ingame advantage over other players other than cosmetics which have no stats.

While it may irk some players who aren't capable of earning enough ingame money to purchase bonds which can then be used to purchase just about anything you could get with real world cash, it still does not change the definition. Runescape is not P2W.