Banned 5 months ago for botting, never knew because I don't even play RS3 lol

[Harvest]

Got banned five months ago. The reason why I'm saying this now instead of then is because I don't even play this crappy version much less bot in it.

Jagex has incredibly weak security and bot management and has been infested with gold sellers and bots since its inception. They have a "Genius Irrefutable AI" that will ban anyone bot or otherwise at any time. This is the SECOND time this has happened in the last 2 years.

The worst thing is how cocky they are. They don't work on innocent until proven guilty or even guilty until proven innocent. its "Guilty because we know, we have our methods and we know what you did" Oh I bet, and with all the bots running around at this very moment large enough to be a quarter cut of the player base.

Maybe my account was stolen and actually used for botting? Maybe, but that is just a whole other issue to demonstrate the incompetence. I know account stealing is rampant in this game and I can assure you I'm not doing anything stupid with my information. I have never ever lost a mmo account for even a moment aside from this game and twice in a year.

Edit: Forgot to mention this is actually the second time this has happened. I was banned back in 2014 for "Macroing" and Honestly didn't even know because I quit playing runescape back in early highschool way before that. Appealed for my account in 2020 even though It was "A major ban they were certain I did" They unbanned me anyways saying that "After all this time they're sure I've learned my lesson and read the rules" only to be banned the next year for the same ♥♥♥♥ I already quit RS3 a month or so into 2020 and definetly quit when osrs came to steam when I saw what the game turned into so I dunno how I could've even been there to bot anything..

Play it if you want but I'm warning ya'll but don't buy anything.... Your account can and will be compromised and nothing you buy is certain to be retained your password and information is hung like clothes out to dry in jagex's hands.

[Harvest]

Originally posted by 🎀 Yara 🎀:

I don't know how dumb you think Jagex is but they can see login IPs and they can trace those IPs and bypass the VPNs. It's not hard to do, even a script kiddie can do it. If you got banned for botting then you got banned for botting, simply put. You ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, you're wrong. They have flagged IP's that are known bot portals. Whether you logged in or didn't, they will know when something goes wrong.

Also did you miss the part of this post where I mention that I haven't played RS3 in 5 months?

[KingJacko]

Done with this convo. Stop thinking of people who are trying to clear things up as people who are somehow trying to defend Jagex. We are just trying to give you some pointers.

[Zell]

Originally posted by The Weeb Eater:

Originally posted by 🎀 Yara 🎀:

I don't know how dumb you think Jagex is but they can see login IPs and they can trace those IPs and bypass the VPNs. It's not hard to do, even a script kiddie can do it. If you got banned for botting then you got banned for botting, simply put. You ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, you're wrong. They have flagged IP's that are known bot portals. Whether you logged in or didn't, they will know when something goes wrong.

Also did you miss the part of this post where I mention that I haven't played RS3 in 5 months?

It's always "I didn't play for this or that long." you got banned for doing something. Jagex doesn't hand out automated bans unless its text violations.

[Harvest]

Originally posted by 🎀 Yara 🎀:

Originally posted by The Weeb Eater:

Also did you miss the part of this post where I mention that I haven't played RS3 in 5 months?

It's always "I didn't play for this or that long." you got banned for doing something. Jagex doesn't hand out automated bans unless its text violations.

I'm going to say this to you and thats it.
Could it be possible in your eyes that someones account can be compromised and used for said hacks? You would be stupid if you thought even with 2fa and a strong password your account is invulnerable to compromise and if that does happen, what then?

I personally see that the way they chose to handle bans is disgusting but what about people in this aforementioned situation? You can appeal for an account that was stolen but if the thief gets that stolen account banned before you can recover it (say, because you were away for 5 months and had no idea) -they won't allow you to appeal that either.

That fact that you have come to such an absolute conclusion that the only way an account can be banned for hacking is if the original owner was the culprit shows you are not very bright.

[Nosman123™]

cool story no one cares. rs3 bot detection is way ahead of osrs so... you probably botted.

[Harvest]

Originally posted by chaosmagicka:

There are 3 possibilities:
1. You botted and are lying about it like most half-wits who make these kind of posts.
2. Your account security for your account is crap and someone got in.
3. You gave your log in info away and someone botted on your account.

Any way you spin it, you messed up by botting or by not caring enough for your account that you have no security and an easily guessable password.

You have about 30 hours in this version of the game on steam. So not only would someone need your steam info to log in to bot, but also your RS log in info to get in, unless they used your PC to do it. I bet you were botting and got caught.

Stop breaking the rules, and strengthen your account security.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2258029344 Account's 13 years old. You dont' need a email or steam to log into the account. Anyone with a password cracker can find the password. Even if my password is some 15 digit string that even I don't know off hand its unlikely but not impossible but sure.

1. I'm not mouth breather I'm not going to bot in RS3, much less play it, much less lie to a bunch of sunk-cost RS3 players who can't help me even if they did believe me.
2. Is actually the most likely thing.
3. I'm not a mouth breather and know nobody who is enough to want a rs3 account lol

[Harvest]

Like you guys are forgetting this is RS3 we're talking about not OSRS. It'd be stupid enough that I'd even play it seriously at all much less bot in it. I know we have some passionate keyboard warriors checking this thread but reminder that not everyone that plays this game is balls deep enough that they would bot in a game version where the grind is literally the only remotely fun thing about it.
I already talked to Jagex appeal and they send me their half ass bot "we're not going to do anything screw off" email so I guess this thread is over. I lost my old account, lost my sentimental value, and that's the end of that. More threads like this will come out and more jagex fanboys will dive in and victim blame them with no refute but I'm not here to fight gamers on steam forums.

[KingJacko]

You seem very mad over losing an account to a game you ♥♥♥♥ talk every chance you get.

Something is fishy here, and I am pretty sure you are hiding something, like you didn't secure your account or you botted.

[Yournewstepmom]

Originally posted by The Weeb Eater:

Got banned five months ago. The reason why I'm saying this now instead of then is because I don't even play this crappy version much less bot in it.
Jagex has incredibly weak secu-

This will be a long post but if you get a chance to read it I hope you do.
Before posting here do remember that this community is niche and cynically inclined to defend JAGEX even if they say otherwise. Here, on this forum, you're always somehow at fault and the company is not. JAGEX is based in the UK but has some strong Japanese ties, it seems. It would seem that you didn't have optimal account security, emphasis on seem. 2FA is so easy to crack it shouldn't even be considered secure. I can't talk about why because it's a security issue but lets just say there's plenty of loopholes from email to social engineering. The only secure way to get unbanned and/or redeemed anywhere on the Internet is through IP tracking and checking. What IP signed into the account, from what geolocation do you usually sign in from, etc. JAGEX refuses to say where you logged in from to defend the fact that their 2FA is secure and they could never be at fault. When was the last time this company took an L? I literally can't remember.

[Zell]

Originally posted by Alysha:

Originally posted by The Weeb Eater:

Got banned five months ago. The reason why I'm saying this now instead of then is because I don't even play this crappy version much less bot in it.
Jagex has incredibly weak secu-

This will be a long post but if you get a chance to read it I hope you do.
Before posting here do remember that this community is niche and cynically inclined to defend JAGEX even if they say otherwise. Here, on this forum, you're always somehow at fault and the company is not. JAGEX is based in the UK but has some strong Japanese ties, it seems. It would seem that you didn't have optimal account security, emphasis on seem. 2FA is so easy to crack it shouldn't even be considered secure. I can't talk about why because it's a security issue but lets just say there's plenty of loopholes from email to social engineering. The only secure way to get unbanned and/or redeemed anywhere on the Internet is through IP tracking and checking. What IP signed into the account, from what geolocation do you usually sign in from, etc. JAGEX refuses to say where you logged in from to defend the fact that their 2FA is secure and they could never be at fault. When was the last time this company took an L? I literally can't remember.

Half Right and just assumption and bias fact. Nice word salad though.

IP Logging and tracing is how Jagex depicts bans as either legitimate or false. Jagex has a ever-changing list of IPs from sites that are the most known bot sites. As for 2FA, its not as easy as you'd think since each 2FA has a different server. Email, Steam, Jagex/RuneScape, Google etc.. Each 2FA outlet has a different server that the "hacker" would need to spend a given amount of time bypassing without getting noticed on each one and changing their own IP address for each login. Jagex is not perfect, but they aren't stupid. Jagex doesn't divulge the IP information because the CSR themselves cannot tell you who is who. It's not that hard to understand. Even a company as ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as IMVU has IP tracing for logins.

TLDR... You're just talking out your ass for about 50% of what you wrote.

[Yournewstepmom]

Lmao oh thank you so much for your help

[sylardean]

Immaterial if he was botting or not... the problem here is that JAGEX refuse to show ANY proof of botting/macroing, even their 'View proof' button is there as a HUGE troll to the gamer on their website if you have been banned and want to view the offence.

It's a policy (wait no, a dictatorship) of.. "IF we say you were botting/macroing then you WERE and we DON'T have to present you proof..." which is just a complete tw@tish move on their behalf. This is like someone going to prison for murder and there was NO actual proof, trust me.. I know someone who has had this happen to them.. 21 years they got with no proof what so ever.. the system is a joke.. in law and in Runescape.

At the end of the day it IS their game but it has a fundamentally flawed system.. this was proven with the release of that YouTube video a few years ago of that guy recording himself clicking a mouse like crazy for about 5 minutes and then the game shut down and he was banned. That video was requested to be removed.. so YouTube removed it.

You've only got to look at this Het's Oasis event atm to see the bot checker dont work.. frak me.. all I ever see is people AFK for hours at a time at a bush or rocks.. and those are not getting banned.. it's pretty ridiculous.. mean ive literally logged off to sleep then logged back in and the person is still there AFK.. clearly collecting shards for Gold. It seems to me that P2P has a little more leniency in the rules than F2P though.

[Skcarkden]

Originally posted by KingJacko:

Originally posted by The Weeb Eater:

It warns people who are hopefully not too lost in this game about the investing too much into it. That's what I care about.

You're just as sure of your statements as you think Jagex is of banning players, with the same amount of proof, yet you only see a problem in one of those situations. Okayyyyyy...

Um... hate to break it to you but if he's being accused of doing something that he knows he didn't do then i'm not 'sure' he'd know, but certain he'd know if he didn't do what he's accused of.

That's not the same as 2 different parties thinking the other is wrong about a theory on some topic when it's one party accusing the other, the accused would know if it's true or not and the accuse *might* know, or could be guessing based on whatever they think they have.

It's really more a question of if we believe a guy says he was falsely accused or not and if wasting his time trying to warn anyone is some elaborate ploy to hoodwink a company.

Personally I don't lump everyone in the same 'just faking it' lump just because Jagex tell everyone they never make mistakes (they do, a lot) Why isn't Jagex making billions selling anti-cheat software if it's so perfect?

[Matt & the Cat]

Well, wheres their proof that they arent botting/macroing? Just saying that they didn’t isn’t reliable proof in of itself. Theres holes in is story, being banned 5 months ago and just now saying something is one of them.

[Zell]

Originally posted by sylardean:

Immaterial if he was botting or not... the problem here is that JAGEX refuse to show ANY proof of botting/macroing, even their 'View proof' button is there as a HUGE troll to the gamer on their website if you have been banned and want to view the offence.

It's a policy (wait no, a dictatorship) of.. "IF we say you were botting/macroing then you WERE and we DON'T have to present you proof..." which is just a complete tw@tish move on their behalf. This is like someone going to prison for murder and there was NO actual proof, trust me.. I know someone who has had this happen to them.. 21 years they got with no proof what so ever.. the system is a joke.. in law and in Runescape.

At the end of the day it IS their game but it has a fundamentally flawed system.. this was proven with the release of that YouTube video a few years ago of that guy recording himself clicking a mouse like crazy for about 5 minutes and then the game shut down and he was banned. That video was requested to be removed.. so YouTube removed it.

You've only got to look at this Het's Oasis event atm to see the bot checker dont work.. frak me.. all I ever see is people AFK for hours at a time at a bush or rocks.. and those are not getting banned.. it's pretty ridiculous.. mean ive literally logged off to sleep then logged back in and the person is still there AFK.. clearly collecting shards for Gold. It seems to me that P2P has a little more leniency in the rules than F2P though.

It is the very same concept of Valve not divulging the inner workings of the VAC system!!! All this hate to Jagex is just a reflection that they got caught and what not. No ACS is perfect, but they ARE NOT obligated to prove or divulge anything to you as it could compromise their anti cheat system.