my summoning rework

[DUKE NUKEM]

want summoning back in the game. actually i want any new skill to train pretty badly but i was thinking about how summoning could work

* the life rune will be required to creates summoning pouches. it will be a very rare rune and many will be required for higher level summons along with other items. NO XP is gained for making a pouch
* XP is gained from training with the summon. when it deals damage, or does its skilling task if it is not a combat summon
* summons can aid in combat anywhere but they are "soul tethered" to you, if you take damage they take the same damage
* pets can be healed with soul food; all regular food can be turned into soul food by a process
* pets have a "bond level" that goes up the more they are used. This determines their ability to use special and passive abilities. it resets to zero if they die or you summon something else
* There is NO TIMER on how long a summon can stay with you (maybe exceptions)

in response to some complaints that the "soul tether" damage pets take would be ineffective in areas where you just pray all the time like barrows I wanted to make a few points
* we could have some areas where you just can't use summons, maybe we say the corrupted aura of the barrows prevents all familiars from functioning. easy fix
* or we could just let it happen. there are few places like that and it wouldn't be a big change to them compared to how you do it now besides a slight increase to efficiency

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por Milkless Tea:

This topic needs to be closed. It's basically "I want it therefore it should be in the game" If the community wanted it, it would be in the game. In your mind being kinda.. close to the 75% mark means it should be in the game is baffling. I want you to shut the ♥♥♥♥ up. I bet we'd get a 100% vote on that.

such emotional problems lol. the majority of players want a new skill. the polls prove that

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

the majority of players want a new skill. the polls prove that

you're making a lot of assumptions though... like assuming everyone votes.

if it's 65% for it that might be a technical majority at face value, but if like 20% of people don't bother to vote it could be anywhere from like 50-80%... still it would hardly beat the 75% needed to pass. assuming even 65% of the theoretical 20% voted yes it would still only be like just 75%... but if they didn't vote they probably don't care that much so 65% is probably generous.

but that's all assumptions anyways... in reality it didn't pass.

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por kingjames488:

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

the majority of players want a new skill. the polls prove that

you're making a lot of assumptions though... like assuming everyone votes.

if it's 65% for it that might be a technical majority at face value, but if like 20% of people don't bother to vote it could be anywhere from like 50-80%... still it would hardly beat the 75% needed to pass. assuming even 65% of the theoretical 20% voted yes it would still only be like just 75%... but if they didn't vote they probably don't care that much so 65% is probably generous.

but that's all assumptions anyways... in reality it didn't pass.

we can't have a meaningful discussion on unknowns like that. if they don't vote its reasonable to assume they are fine with anything.

infact the oldest players are the most involved. newer players who would accept any new skill are probably the most likely to not vote. so it stands to reason the non voters are vastly more likely to support new skills

[Dre4M]

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

we can't have a meaningful discussion on unknowns like that. if they don't vote its reasonable to assume they are fine with anything.

infact the oldest players are the most involved. newer players who would accept any new skill are probably the most likely to not vote. so it stands to reason the non voters are vastly more likely to support new skills

I would say it's opposite that old players are mostly voting no, because that would completely change how game is played. As for new players they wouldn't care, because they don't know much about the game and everything new is just a new thing to them, when old players know a lot, know strats, ways of training etc, everything what changes would force them to learn again and that would take time and resources.

At least that's how I see this from both perspectives.

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por Dre4M:

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

we can't have a meaningful discussion on unknowns like that. if they don't vote its reasonable to assume they are fine with anything.

infact the oldest players are the most involved. newer players who would accept any new skill are probably the most likely to not vote. so it stands to reason the non voters are vastly more likely to support new skills

I would say it's opposite that old players are mostly voting no, because that would completely change how game is played. As for new players they wouldn't care, because they don't know much about the game and everything new is just a new thing to them, when old players know a lot, know strats, ways of training etc, everything what changes would force them to learn again and that would take time and resources.

At least that's how I see this from both perspectives.

you kinda just said the same thing as me. new players want MORE CONTENT, older players vote no to avoid all change (even good change)

the game is supposed to change over time. this is not a museum

[Linyos Torvoltos]

I'd rather take Dungeoneering over Summoning.

[RebelMouth]

I like you Duke, you seemed friendly enough. Forgive me if you feel like I'm throwing you under the bus... But i remember giving your ironman account a bond not too long ago.

Since Steam released you've started two accounts, correct? How far could you have really gotten on an Ironman?

A lot of Veteran players like myself weren't a big fan of the direction RS3 took, and it seems like you're trying to bring a lot of those elements back. Not only that, but from my perspective you aren't exactly "one of us". I took you for a newer player and you yourself have admitted to liking a number of things that have come around EOC.

You have a new player, demanding "new"( RS3) content, without having much invested in the current content. You weren't one of the players that left due to the EOC changes, and you weren't one of the players that invested in getting OSRS off the ground and making it what it is.

A lot of players are going to see this as an RS3 player with a low attention span, trying to turn the game into the EXACT thing it isn't.

I think you've had good ideas Duke but i don't think that adding skills more commonly associated with RS3 is one of them and i want you to understand why the community may treat some of your suggestions pretty harshly

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

you kinda just said the same thing as me. new players want MORE CONTENT, older players vote no to avoid all change (even good change)

the game is supposed to change over time. this is not a museum

New players, demanding new content.

You don't see the problem with that in " Old school" runescape?

no, infact i think the name of the game should be renamed. i don't play this game because it is "old"

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

I like you Duke, you seemed friendly enough. Forgive me if you feel like I'm throwing you under the bus... But i remember giving your ironman account a bond not too long ago.

Since Steam released you've started two accounts, correct? How far could you have really gotten on an Ironman?

A lot of Veteran players like myself weren't a big fan of the direction RS3 took, and it seems like you're trying to bring a lot of those elements back. Not only that, but from my perspective you aren't exactly "one of us". I took you for a newer player and you yourself have admitted to liking a number of things that have come around EOC.

You have a new player, demanding "new"( RS3) content, without having much invested in the current content. You weren't one of the players that left due to the EOC changes, and you weren't one of the players that invested in getting OSRS off the ground and making it what it is.

A lot of players are going to see this as an RS3 player with a low attention span, trying to turn the game into the EXACT thing it isn't.

I think you've had good ideas Duke but i don't think that adding skills more commonly associated with RS3 is one of them and i want you to understand why the community may treat some of your suggestions pretty harshly

yes i did quit when eoc came out. but i also know not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, i quit BECAUSE of the eoc. 2011 pre eoc runescape was peak awesomeness

the core mechanics were changed by the eoc. that's why it was bad. the core mechanics of runesscape are:

grinding skills
click and wait combat
a certain graphical style
rare high value drops and big varied drop tables

if an update doesn't change these things. its not part of what ruined rs2

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

no, infact i think the name of the game should be renamed. i don't play this game because it is "old"

You're the minority. You're welcome to check my more recent post = ]

Hope you're enjoying yourself!

no i really dont' think i am, i think very few people are playing this game for nostalgia. it has unique things that no other mmo has; including rs3

[RebelMouth]

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

New players, demanding new content.

You don't see the problem with that in " Old school" runescape?

no, infact i think the name of the game should be renamed. i don't play this game because it is "old"

And i already pointed this out, among a number of other things you glossed over in the lengthier post, you may have skipped over it.

But statements like this prove you're the minority, and suggest osrs isn't for you. You fundamentally don't understand this community or why OSRS is the way it is.

What you're looking for is a custom tailored runescape experience. I can't blame you, but you should be able to understand why people aren't siding with you.

[RebelMouth]

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

You're the minority. You're welcome to check my more recent post = ]

Hope you're enjoying yourself!

no i really dont' think i am, i think very few people are playing this game for nostalgia. it has unique things that no other mmo has; including rs3

But your opinions and assertions aren't facts and don't speak for anyone but yourself. You make really broad generalizations you simply don't have the means to back.

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

no, infact i think the name of the game should be renamed. i don't play this game because it is "old"

Again, PROVING you're the minority.

Old school runescape literally advertises the game as a nostalgic on their own website.

"
Showing results for old school runescape
Search instead for old school runscape

Old School RuneScape - Play Old School RS
https://oldschool.runescape.com
If you're a RuneScape veteran hungry for nostalgia, get stuck right in to Old School RuneScape. Sign up for membership and re-live the adventure."

thats the google display result man. Straight from the horses mouth.

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

no i really dont' think i am, i think very few people are playing this game for nostalgia. it has unique things that no other mmo has; including rs3

But your opinions and assertions aren't facts and don't speak for anyone but yourself.

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

no, infact i think the name of the game should be renamed. i don't play this game because it is "old"

Again, PROVING you're the minority.

well you didn't prove anything you just said your opinions over and over

people are not here for nostalgia, they are here cuz rs3 is microtransactions trash with the eoc combat system. Besides many people could be more nostalgic for the 2008-2011 era. infact we know this is true because of the popularity of the HD clients

[RebelMouth]

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

But your opinions and assertions aren't facts and don't speak for anyone but yourself.



Again, PROVING you're the minority.

well you didn't prove anything you just said your opinions over and over

people are not here for nostalgia, they are here cuz rs3 is microtransactions trash with the eoc combat system. Besides many people could be more nostalgic for the 2008-2011 era. infact we know this is true because of the popularity of the HD clients

Old school runescape literally advertises the game as a nostalgic on their own website.

"
Showing results for old school runescape
Search instead for old school runscape

Old School RuneScape - Play Old School RS
https://oldschool.runescape.com
If you're a RuneScape veteran hungry for nostalgia, get stuck right in to Old School RuneScape. Sign up for membership and re-live the adventure."

thats the google display result man. Straight from the horses mouth.

I tried to be nice. If you want to have your head up your rear it's no skin off my back.

I'm just letting you know why people are treating you the way they are on this forum, and it's because you're being ignorant.

Take care.

[DUKE NUKEM]

Publicado originalmente por RebelMouth:

Publicado originalmente por DUKE NUKEM:

well you didn't prove anything you just said your opinions over and over

people are not here for nostalgia, they are here cuz rs3 is microtransactions trash with the eoc combat system. Besides many people could be more nostalgic for the 2008-2011 era. infact we know this is true because of the popularity of the HD clients

Old school runescape literally advertises the game as a nostalgic on their own website.

"
Showing results for old school runescape
Search instead for old school runscape

Old School RuneScape - Play Old School RS
https://oldschool.runescape.com
If you're a RuneScape veteran hungry for nostalgia, get stuck right in to Old School RuneScape. Sign up for membership and re-live the adventure."

thats the google display result man. Straight from the horses mouth.

I tried to be nice. If you want to have your head up your rear it's no skin off my back.

I'm just letting you know why people are treating you the way they are on this forum, and it's because you're being ignorant.

Take care.

well it doesn't matter what they advertise it as. advertisements are almost always misleading and are not to be taken as any form of evidence.

if the game was JUST nostalgia it wouldn't get updates at all. no people come here for the mechanics.

infact we can prove the opposite because osrs almost died when it came out as it wasn't getting updates. people expect the game to grow and change. its just you have to know good change and bad change and be able to identify which is which.