The new client update - Am I the only person who is outraged?

[Valoran]

I realize the changes they made are all things that are already possible for people using runelite, but for the love of Guthix this is a slippery slope. I absolutely despise these changes and in general disagree with anything that makes the game easier purely for the sake of it.

Just because it's already possible with a third party client doesn't justify adding it to the base game. You won't stop those people from using those clients with updates like this, so what's the point? All you've done is annoy the people who want to keep the game pure.

With every single update that comes to this game it shfits further and further away from being what it's supposed to be, "Old School Runescape". There's nothing old school about these changes.

I also don't accept the counter argument of "Just toggle it off and let the people who want it enjoy it". Just because I don't have to use it doesn't mean that a change isn't fundamentally altering the feeling of a game, especially when it's enabled by default.

I'm of the camp of people who believe they should just revert RS3 combat and core mechanics to function like old school does, and mess around there instead of here. (If only they hadn't painted themselves into an inescapable corner with micro transactions).

Some of us want to continue playing Runescape the way it actually was, which is becoming harder and harder to do.

[Sir Kepi]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by Sir Kepi:

I honestly don't see the problem. You can turn them off if you don't want to use them and voila, you're not using them. Yeah the client still uses resources as if you were, but if it's not pushing the limits of your system then it shouldn't be cause for concern unless you have other things that are pushing the limits of your system,

I guess it's kinda like why do people care about bloatware and spyware and taxes?
I use a PC because I want to properly use my system and it's resources. if I weren't I wouldn't haven even noticed this slight increase in ram usage, but as a PC user it's something I notice and do not want if it doesn't benefit me in any way.

Bloatware can legitimately slow down one's PC. Spyware can be an invasion of privacy and a tool for hackers to steal personal information. Taxes are a necessary part of adult life as they're essential to a government being able to pay for things that it and its citizens need. None of these things apply to this discussion, because you've said that the new client's features are not slowing down your PC (you said you have plenty of RAM and it's RAM you're concerned about with the new client's features), they're not stealing your information or invading your privacy, and they're not even in the same league as taxes. All of that is irrelevant.

I use a PC as well. I think I've shown that I know a thing or two about them, too. I did in fact mention the type and amount of RAM I'd picked up on Amazon and mentioned that I installed them myself. So I want to properly use my system and its resources. RAM was a bottleneck for me at one point, so I upgraded it. After that, my GPU became my primary bottleneck so I upgraded that as well (EVGA NVidia GeForce RTX 2070 Super FTW 3) and to accommodate that I had to upgrade the PSU (Corsair CX750F RGB). As a PC user, I notice how my PC is running as well, but I don't micromanage my system and have a heart attack if a program is using a tiny bit more RAM than it used to for features I don't want when the load on my RAM is well within specs.

In my opinion, this is still a non-issue. It's not affecting your PC in any negative way, right? So I honestly still don't see a problem. Would it be nice if they optimized things? Sure. Is it as big a deal as you're making it out to be? Not really.

To Steam: This post is constructive and on-topic. This entire thread is about the new client updates and that's exactly what I'm discussing, since it seems like the user I'm responding to seems to be worried about RAM usage, so I offered a possible fix. This post does not "derail" anything, nor is it "goading" anyone, or "disrespectful" in any way.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Sir Kepi:

I use a PC as well. I think I've shown that I know a thing or two about them, too. I did in fact mention the type and amount of RAM I'd picked up on Amazon

that's excellent! I'm glad you know about your PC.

I happen to subscribe to an older philosophy where you manage things better as opposed to just brute forcing it. perhaps that's why I prefer the base client...

[miqz]

Originally posted by Totta:

Originally posted by miqz:

Point is, you're not allowed to like runelite and you have to gatekeep people to the point of getting outraged if they dont use the garbage vanilla client
and as you're not doing that, you're clearly a runelite defender basing on your post
dont try acting as if what you're saying is the case chief

Wait im confused? why am i not "allowed" to like something?

Im not gatekeeping anyone?

I clearly said people who use RL shouldnt be banned because it isnt the players fault.

The only emotional person here is you brother, how do you type an entire wall of assumptions of a stranger?

What assumpsions? you clearly stated that it's the """""runelife defenders""""""" who are emotional and blablabla, cause we're calling someone out who's spreading blatant misinformation
i'm just going by your logic, and the rhetoric you're pushing is gatekeeping anyone who doesnt use the garbage vanilla client i.e over 70% of the playerbase
Like i said, dont try implying ♥♥♥♥ when you clearly didnt know what you're talking about

[kingjames488]

what are "runelite defenders" anyways? are they like the avengers?

tell captain runelite we have to talk.... until then what of the other issues?

[Sir Kepi]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by Sir Kepi:

I use a PC as well. I think I've shown that I know a thing or two about them, too. I did in fact mention the type and amount of RAM I'd picked up on Amazon

that's excellent! I'm glad you know about your PC.

I happen to subscribe to an older philosophy where you manage things better as opposed to just brute forcing it. perhaps that's why I prefer the base client...

I don't brute force anything. My PC runs perfectly fine without me micromanaging it and having a meltdown if a program uses slightly more resources than it should. The only exception to this would be if I'm running a very resource-intensive program such as Assassin's Creed: Origins. My PC still struggles with that one a little since I haven't yet had the time or money to upgrade my CPU. But things like OSRS? No sweat. All that without "brute forcing" things. I'm familiar with the older way of doing things by the way. In fact, I still firmly believe that Windows 95 FE (First Edition) was the best version of Windows that Microsoft ever made and it was downhill from there. Granted some versions have been better than others so it's not a complete landslide into utter garbage, but nothing since 95 FE has ever lived up to it in my opinion. The most stable operating system Microsoft had ever made and one of the more secure as well, for its time.

I want to get the most out of my experiences when I'm gaming, both in terms to individual games and in terms of my PC. If I know that a game doesn't need all of the considerable resources I can bring with my rig, I don't worry about it. If I'm not sure, I might micromanage a bit and close things I'm not using. As for games I play, I want to get the most out of them that I can in every way: Graphically, quality of life, audibly, interface, you name it. Perhaps that's why I prefer RuneLite...

Regardless, I still consider this a non-issue as it's not affecting your PC in any meaningful negative way, since you said you have more than enough RAM for OSRS even with the new features, so I honestly still don't see why you're flipping out over a tiny bit of optimization to the game. I really hope you don't play ARK: Survival Evolved. You'd likely have a conniption fit and a half at the optimization issues in that game if you're so worried about a tiny bit of RAM increase for OSRS.

To Steam: This post is constructive and on-topic. This entire thread is about the new client updates and that's exactly what I'm discussing, since it seems like the user I'm responding to seems to be worried about RAM usage, so I offered a possible fix. This post does not "derail" anything, nor is it "goading" anyone, or "disrespectful" in any way.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Sir Kepi:

[words]

ya, I'd agree the old 95/98 era windows was pretty good. tho the winxp+ era made networking sooo much easier. and several other convenient things being added before all of the freedoms being removed in recent versions...

and though I can see your point with "well I can afford 32GB or 64GB or 128GB of ram and that's nothing in a modern PC" I think it's a point when the usage is so high relative to previous.

[Sir Kepi]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by Sir Kepi:

[words]

ya, I'd agree the old 95/98 era windows was pretty good. tho the winxp+ era made networking sooo much easier. and several other convenient things being added before all of the freedoms being removed in recent versions...

Yeah, I'll agree with the XP era being much better for networking, though it wasn't as stable or secure as the 95/98 era, comparatively speaking. I mean there were worse threats in the XP era than the 95/98 era and the threats were more abundant, but comparing the two systems to the threats and abundance of them for their respective times, the 95/98 era wins hands down in the security department, especially 95 FE.

Originally posted by kingjames488:

and though I can see your point with "well I can afford 32GB or 64GB or 128GB of ram and that's nothing in a modern PC" I think it's a point when the usage is so high relative to previous.

I can see that, however in my opinion it's really not worth sweating the small stuff when it comes to such a minor RAM increase, even if Jagex never fixes its optimization. The game is so old it's never going to bury the needle so to speak when it comes to RAM like more modern games such as AC: Origins or ARK: SE. That's why I was saying that in my eyes it's a non-issue to micromanage a PC's resources at such a tiny level, because I honestly feel that it really isn't necessary these days like it was in the days of 95/98. I still can micromanage resources like that, I just don't because to me it's a pain.

To Steam: This post is constructive and on-topic. This entire thread is about the new client updates and that's exactly what I'm discussing, since it seems like the user I'm responding to seems to be worried about RAM usage, so I offered a possible fix. This post does not "derail" anything, nor is it "goading" anyone, or "disrespectful" in any way.

[Totta]

Originally posted by miqz:

Originally posted by Totta:

Wait im confused? why am i not "allowed" to like something?

Im not gatekeeping anyone?

I clearly said people who use RL shouldnt be banned because it isnt the players fault.

The only emotional person here is you brother, how do you type an entire wall of assumptions of a stranger?

What assumpsions? you clearly stated that it's the """""runelife defenders""""""" who are emotional and blablabla, cause we're calling someone out who's spreading blatant misinformation
i'm just going by your logic, and the rhetoric you're pushing is gatekeeping anyone who doesnt use the garbage vanilla client i.e over 70% of the playerbase
Like i said, dont try implying ♥♥♥♥ when you clearly didnt know what you're talking about

You are assuming theres gatekeeping, when there is no gatekeeping.

I dont care if you guys want to use RL, i am not preventing you guys from using RL.

Do you know the definition of gatekeeping?

[Scapemage]

I believe that all of the updates coming to the client will be settings, meaning they can be toggled off. No harm to anyone who wishes not to use them.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Scapemage:

I believe that all of the updates coming to the client will be settings, meaning they can be toggled off. No harm to anyone who wishes not to use them.

as long as there's increased ram usage that's not a valid excuse to me.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

let them optimize the steam client first before you start crying about ram usage just have some fing patience

[Jagex Light]

Hey guys, the reality is our client isn't up to scratch and the improvements we're making will help newer players and existing players to enjoy the game. In terms of answering the question you've asked "Am I the only person who is outraged?" - you are probably not the only one but you are in the minority of players.

[Sparrow]

Then turn off the features? You absolute mug.

[Linyos Torvoltos]

Originally posted by Jagex Light:

Hey guys, the reality is our client isn't up to scratch and the improvements we're making will help newer players and existing players to enjoy the game. In terms of answering the question you've asked "Am I the only person who is outraged?" - you are probably not the only one but you are in the minority of players.

Based mod.

Should have just lock the thread with that message.

[RedAugustus]

Originally posted by Totta:

Originally posted by (っ● ‿ ●)っ:

i don't think you need to use that on every post

All the hardcore runelite defenders have issues controlling their emotions on that other thread so a majority of them got reported (LMFAOOO) so they being extra careful now ;).

On topic. i think updating the vanilla client is great, cant wait to try in the new plugins on the official client ^^!

I was banned twice for telling someone to get stoved LOL. Steam removed it though because I explained how a lot of these people complaining are man children whose arguments are def not solid. I was on topic though every reply so I was unbanned from the forums. Get stoved.

All features that have been addd can be turned off so you can keep the most classic of UI and know none the better. And I dont think jagex is adding a public plugin page where you can select and install different plugins. But maybe they will who knows. Jagex works in mysterious ways.

EDIT: LOL @ jagex light keeping it real. And I quote what was replied to the OP of "You've asked "Am I the only person who is outraged?" - probably not but you are in the minority" LOOOOOL