Forge too hard (Easy mode?)

[Ladicuis]

Playing with my wife and she rage-quit on the forge part.
Is it possible to do this without a time limit or make it otherwise easier?

We like the game, but this part is not making our lives happy

[Woudo]

Spend a few minutes talking about what needs to be done, then establish an order of what you're going to do one after the other, and write it down. Make it as comprehensive as possible, including the small things like placing the bowls back into the water stream. Hopefully having a list of instructions to follow will calm her anxiety.

Also bear in mind, in some of the machines (like the potion maker), you can take back the coloured paint while the machine is still operating. That will save you a good bit of time.

[Ladicuis]

Thanks for the tips. We had spend a good part of an hour going over all the machines their locations and the steps we needed to take.

Will not help in this case though I'm afraid, she also has some issues with the controls, general sense of direction and visibility of the cursor (often aiming to high and bumping into stuff). Grabbing moving things from the moat is a challenge on its own.

That first door where they show you the sprint controls, took about 10 attemtps and then she got lucky The other puzzles up to this point were either not time based, or only one role had to do the tricky part and we love those parts

I'm able to cope with the stress, but she isn't without having more time in general or have no timer at all.

[greentea]

second this. I think the time is too short. You need to perfect everything to pass and that just not fun.

[[ZSU] Dave247]

It can be a bit of a struggle and took my friend and I a few tries until we were able to beat it, though personally it was one of the puzzles I quite enjoyed.

You just need to prioritise what needs to be done in what order and things will start to fall into place. For example, leaving the three blue until the very end (due to being the easiest to complete) means that one player should focus solely on helping the other to get their two green and one red completed, as they are the most complex and take the longest to mix.

The one criticism I would have for this puzzle is how the difficulty is heavily skewed towards one player, but that goes for a lot of games' puzzles. Even the previous games in the series are like this.
In some ways I suppose that could be a good thing, as you can have the more experienced/confident player tackling the more challenging half, but the problem is you don't know which is which until you get there, at which point it is too late as you are locked in and can't switch positions, though I feel this game did do a lot better on that front as there are multiple opportunities where you get to choose who is going to do what.

[Nextempus]

There is definitely an optimum order to do it in. As you can do multiple things at a time on either side.
Something to note is each side has a colour that the other doesn't need.
You can also empty a bowl of colour into a machine to get an empty bowl back if you need. The recycling machine can be helpful in a pinch.

I do think remaining calm and making sure of the river clicks is important. I did find myself getting a bit annoyed by placing too many things in the river or selecting the right item.
Q and E helped with selecting the right item.
Other than that it sounds like adjusting the mouse/look sensitivity might be helpful.

My friend and I managed to do it with a very optimised order, with multiple machines operating at once on both sides and I was sprinting everywhere. With that run we had loads of time left. But up until that point we just weren't doing enough things at the same time and were waiting too much for things to come around the river, making mistakes, etc.

I can make a spoiler post with the plan we used but I'd encourage you to figure out how best to make sure there is always a machine running. And do practice runs knowing that you'll run out of time so you can both memorise the order and get more used to the controls.

[Pikaporooo]

Just redoing it over and over enables you to perfect it each time. It only took us a couple tries to get it perfect. Just work on communicating and planning.

[PearlVioletZ]

If the game isnt making you happy, i suggest not playing it. It took 4/5 attempts at that puzzle with a lot of communication and planning.

[Ladicuis]

Originally posted by PearlVioletZ:

i suggest not playing it.

Yeah that is what we do now. But it is a shame. We had fun up till this point.
May play it with someone else and it will be possible to get through.

Just pointing out that not everyone has enough stamina of trying many times to get through this specific section. As mentioned before it already took many attempts to get through that first simple timed tutorial section where you have to run through the closing door

[PearlVioletZ]

Originally posted by Ladicuis:

Originally posted by PearlVioletZ:

i suggest not playing it.

Yeah that is what we do now. But it is a shame. We had fun up till this point.
May play it with someone else and it will be possible to get through.

Just pointing out that not everyone has enough stamina of trying many times to get through this specific section. As mentioned before it already took many attempts to get through that first simple timed tutorial section where you have to run through the closing door

If she doesnt have enough stamina to move her hands then yes i do suggest finding another co player.

[Ladicuis]

Nah, we'll play something else instead. Portal 2 went fine, Lego games are fine, but this forge scene was too much. If there is more time to complete the tasks, then there is less stress and can get through it and still have fun which is our main goal of playing games together.

[Sarnen]

feel lucky you even got that far - the mine cart won't spawn so we'll never see hte forge, game just hit a soft lock and is unplayable

[Woudo]

Originally posted by Sarnen:

feel lucky you even got that far - the mine cart won't spawn so we'll never see hte forge, game just hit a soft lock and is unplayable

Because you've just finished a previous area and have a piece of the machine. Take the piece and go place it in the machine, which is back up in the monastery. Then you can choose a new area to go to.

[The Ottoman Empire]

Originally posted by Sarnen:

feel lucky you even got that far - the mine cart won't spawn so we'll never see hte forge, game just hit a soft lock and is unplayable

This was a year ago, so you may have solved this/not care. In order to make the next area available, you need to insert the seal you got into the gun. So you have to go back up the gondola and put it in. Then the next area will open up and the mine cart will spawn.

[Pandamania]

I wrote out a very precise step guide for how to beat the puzzle - feel free to copy this into a word document and tweak it as you need (I did find it took several runs even with my instructions due to how wordy it is, but dont stress - by round 3 you should find your very slick and quick at it.

Good Luck x (feel free to DM me if you have any questions or issues)

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Player A – mushrooms/grinder/twigs side
Bowls must pass player B before you start → player A start with bowl access
Activate when bowls on your side – bowls half way down your side → Start on your call

Pick up red oil + yellow oil from river
Place yellow oil + red oil in grinder machine [Player B NEVER needs yellow oil]
Pick up mushroom x1 (using empty bowl from oils) → place mushroom x1 in river
Walk to river & pick up 4x crystal + green oil + 2x acorn
Place acorn in grinder machine → will start making 1x ground acorn
Place pink crystal in blue crystal making machine
Obtain 1 mushroom with empty bowl from mushroom machine
Put blue mushroom in blue crystal machine
Put green oil in blue crystal device
Go grab yellow oil from grinder and place in blue crystal machine → will start 1st one
Take acorn out of crusher → put in river
Put pink crystal in crusher & put red oil in same device from bottom to top
Take yellow oil out of blue crystal machine
Put yellow oil in in crusher machine → start crushing pink crystal
Use empty bowl to take green oil (from machine near top)
Put green oil in bottle creation machine + empty bowel → start making bottle
Pick up red oil + yellow oil + crushed crystal + bottle
Place in water → crushed crystal, red oil + bottle
Put acorn yellow oil in crusher machine
Put empty bowl in mushroom machine
Take mushroom out + place mushroom in blue crystal machine
Put yellow oil in blue crystal machine
Walk to river & pick up red bowl (if not earlier)
Pace red oil in crusher machine → start grinding acorn
Take green oil out of potion machine & take it to blue crystal machine
Go to crusher & pick up yellow oil + red oil (once its finished)
Place yellow oil into blue crystal making machine → starts making 2nd blue crystal
Pick up crushed acorn
Walk over to place empty bowl into root machine x1
Pick up root & place in river
Put pink crystal into blue crystal machine
Place empty bowl in mushroom machine to obtain 1x blue mushroom
Put blue mushroom in blue crystal device → making 3rd blue crystal
Place red oil in river + collect all empty bowls from river (x2)
Put 1x empty bowl in bottle machine
Run up to blue crystal machine & collect green + yellow oil
Put green oil in bottle machine → making a bottle
Take green oil out + collect bottle (once finished)
Place bottle + crushed acorn in river
Put empty bowl in root machine
Collect root from machine & place in river
Collect empty bowl from river
Put empty bowl + green oil in bottle making machine → make bottle x1
Collect any bowls from river while you wait
Collect bottle + green oil from bottle machine
Place bottle in river

Go to centre ready to pull switch

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Player B – pine cone/crystal/cutter side
Bowls to pass player B before you start → player A starts with bowl access
Wait for bowls to be on player A side → Hold switch until they trigger theirs (their call)

From river grab: all empty bowls x6 + blue oil + green oil
Put green oil + empty bowl in acorn machine → making acorn x1
Walk over & place bowl in pink crystal machine
Walk back & collect green oil from bottom & put in top of acorn machine
Collect bowl with acorn in it + place new empty bowl in acorn machine → making acorn x1
Take green oil + acorn out of machine
Take pink crystal out of machine + repeat 3 more times until 4x crystals made
Place in river – 2x acorn, 4x crystal + green oil
Walk to other edge of river & wait until you can collect a mushroom
Place mushroom in cutter machine
Put blue oil in furnace potion machine at top
Pick up crushed crystal + red oil + bottle (don’t worry about acorn yet)
Place red oil in cutter machine (where mushroom is) → starts cutting mushroom
Place ground pink crystal in potion machine
Place bottle in potion machine
Put any spare bowels in river
Take red oil + cut blue mushroom from cutter machine
Put cut blue mushroom + red oil in potion machine → starting green potion
Pick up red potion from potion machine (is possible to grab before lid close – glitch)
Put red oil + empty bowl in river + pick up acorn (if missed from before)
Go to top red potion machine (wait for it to finish) & get 3 bowls back
Place crushed acorn into machine for later while collecting bowls
Place 2x bowels into river
Pick up root out of river & place root in cutting machine (for later)
Collect red oil from the river
Put red oil to cutting machine for root already in machine → starts cutting root
Collect bottle + crushed acorn from the river
Put spare bowl x1 in river
Collect crushed root + red oil from cutter machine
Put crushed root + bottle + red oil into potion machine → starting 2nd red potion
Collect red oil from potion machine when done
Put red oil in cutting machine
Collect bottle + root from river
Place root in cutting machine → starts cutting root
At this time red potion should just be finished
**Need to have last red potion start being made BEFORE dial hits red section**
Load up acorn + bottle to red potion machine
Reset the blue potion in the potion machine from bottom to top spot
Collect red oil + cut root out of cutter machine
Place cut root + red oil in potion machine → making 2nd red potion

Go to centre ready to pull switch

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