Is it woke ?

[Nasworder]

I've noticed there's a 'Body Type A' and 'Body Type B' in the character creator. There are claims that the player character is referred to with 'they/them' pronouns instead of 'he/him' or 'she/her'. Is that true?

Edited :
Finally, I got answers to my two questions. I kind of suspected it was true, given how many people were pissed off about it. So, to summarize: Yes, the character creation includes body type nonsense, which I saw in a YouTube video. And apparently, it’s also true that we’re referred to as "they" during game dialogues. You can argue it’s for monetary reasons, but that doesn’t make it okay with me—it’s still enough to stop me from buying the game. Maybe if there was no body type nonsense, I might consider it, but with that crap included, it’s too much.

I saw tons of people whining that I made this post just for points, but I don’t care about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ points. I’ve spent more points than I’ve gained anyway, and I think Steam should ditch the point system because idiots use it as an excuse to dodge real questions.

And to wrap it up, for the record, I did get banned by Steam Support (maybe some of you saw that). It was some kind of warning, and I only got banned from this game’s forum. Maybe they didn’t like some jokes I cracked about Canadians—I’m not mad about it, it’s fine. But I want to thank the studio, even though I don’t buy into their nonsensical ideologies for this game, for not banning me and for letting people speak freely.

Thanks to everyone who tried to answer and had my back—you’re solid guys. And also, thanks to all the clowns on this forum—you all made me laugh xD

[Kuja Feralus]

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

Messaggio originale di Kuja Feralus:

Same with Square Enix, though it seems Japanese developers and publishers are getting wise to the actual market with how small the "Modern Audience" being pandered to is, given the failure of so many projects with unappealing, unattractive, or even downright ugly characters.

Every time a Concord or a Veilguard fails, the whole industry sees, not just the Western market.

These are not business or market decisions though. The moneymen pushing this are true believers and do this at cost.

To a degree. Square Enix and other Japanese developers are being duped by these subversive activist types, but they are the ones doing the creating. More and more Japanese devs are seeing the market reaction to certain patterns. There's even Anime studios that are considering, openly, using AI instead of Western localizers specifically because localizers have gone mask-off in terms of disrupting the medium to use for their agenda.

When the Japanese creators and publishers see Western localization and Western projects fail while subverting or perverting their creations, it has consequences for how trusting they will be of localizers in the future.

It says a lot about Japan's care for what they create when they've been burned enough by Western localizers that they'd rather entrust their works to AI for localization in foreign markets.

Creatives in the west can afford to do all this at a cost, while ruining franchises and destroying studios, because the backing is behind the very creation of these projects. With Japanese and Chinese games, they have to at least pretend they've got honest intentions in front of the creators.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Good to know, people I follow did have a few remarks about it being woke without explaining.

Though to be honest, even without that, the trailer makes the game seem weird. As in, the game mixes combat systems that are both flashy and gritty which do not work together. Such as bright red arcade style fire balls and bright green poison clouds. These elements need to be toned down color wise to fit the setting, and be redesigned to look more gritty rather than the currently flashy style.

Not to mention, I feel you on the bad aspect. Most Steam moderators are as trigger happy, biased, and outright rude as Reddit mods are infamous for being.

[Littlefatcat]

Messaggio originale di The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Good to know, people I follow did have a few remarks about it being woke without explaining.

Though to be honest, even without that, the trailer makes the game seem weird. As in, the game mixes combat systems that are both flashy and gritty which do not work together. Such as bright red arcade style fire balls and bright green poison clouds. These elements need to be toned down color wise to fit the setting, and be redesigned to look more gritty rather than the currently flashy style.

Not to mention, I feel you on the bad aspect. Most Steam moderators are as trigger happy, biased, and outright rude as Reddit mods are infamous for being.

It's by design...Maybe Team ninja games are not for you. Not every game needs to be like Rdr2 and Kingdom Come Deliverance.

Fun fact: Team Ninja was created to make household versions of games like Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive. Before Team Ninja those were games you'd only find in an arcade. So if you aren't into flashy quasi-anime Ninja Gaiden aesthetic then this game and developer are not for you.

[causality]

Messaggio originale di Littlefatcat:

Messaggio originale di The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Good to know, people I follow did have a few remarks about it being woke without explaining.

Though to be honest, even without that, the trailer makes the game seem weird. As in, the game mixes combat systems that are both flashy and gritty which do not work together. Such as bright red arcade style fire balls and bright green poison clouds. These elements need to be toned down color wise to fit the setting, and be redesigned to look more gritty rather than the currently flashy style.

Not to mention, I feel you on the bad aspect. Most Steam moderators are as trigger happy, biased, and outright rude as Reddit mods are infamous for being.

It's by design...Maybe Team ninja games are not for you. Not every game needs to be like Rdr2 and Kingdom Come Deliverance.

Fun fact: Team Ninja was created to make household versions of games like Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive. Before Team Ninja those were games you'd only find in an arcade. So if you aren't into flashy quasi-anime Ninja Gaiden aesthetic then this game and developer are not for you.

Feel like they try to compete with DMC in terms of flashy and over the top. Ninja Gaiden has izuna drop with a sort of whirlwind/explosive finish and DMC has judgement cut but a lot of young'ns have never played these games before so they don't understand the general aesthetic.

[Pram]

Shame, another skip like Wo Long. The shareholders were wrong, again.

[[Redacted]]

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Exiled Winks:

"Things I don't like"

This. But it's probably possible to not like "woke" stuff AND not like Nazis too...and the later are certainly not woke...

Woke - the sum totality of the self righteous SJWs whom have appointed themselves as the moral authority to dictate societal values yet are duplicitous since their own actions and values cannot live up to the ideological standards they want to impose on the rest of society.

Much like the people always running around screaming about racism and bigotry tend to be the biggest racists and bigots themselves.

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Exiled Winks:

I would say nazis are "woke" in their own way. As in they believe in an all encompassing ideology that essentially removes all mystery or nuance from politics, sociology, physical science etc; and replaces it with a set of firm and unquestionable beliefs i.e. axioms. They essentially created an ideological, methodological, telelogical, etc. Framework within which their perspective and point of view is the only valid and realistic one, and all others are foreign enemies i.e "other" that must be eliminated.

Are you sure you're not describing the modern democrat party?

Remove the label "Nazis" - whom were into identity politics just as Grimdaddy pointed out - and I could have sworn you were talking about the left wing orthodoxy.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

I've seen plenty on the other side doing the same thing except more provocative.

Show me where trans people are saying cis shouldn't even exist.

Well, "cis" doesn't exist, it's either heterosexual or one of these other sexual orientations. However, your argument is an irrelevant strawman.

You said the OP's was being an agitator and I made a statement about the other side doing the same thing - i.e. being agitators - referring to all the troll threads they create.

I never even brought trans into the equation on this particular point.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

The false "anti-trans" narrative is coming to an end thus won't work as an attack anymore and is not suitable argument in a debate. Go after the ideas not the person.

More like the false "bullies are the victims" narrative is coming to an end.

The LGBTQ have become a politically protected group and empowered by government to act however they want with impunity and defended by disingenuous activists.

The moment any type of criticism is levied against the trans for controversial actions they commit the activists are quick to use the trans people's identity as some untenable shield and falsely dismiss any criticisms against them as "anti-trans" statements.

That is what is coming to an end.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

You're deflecting and it doesn't seem like you have a valid point to make.

You're using fancy wordplay to basically say you're anti trans.

The leftist anti-trans narrative doesn't exist and you're still deflecting.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Which does not mean we need to tolerate dysfunctional behavior and that kind of thinking is what leads to asinine public policy legalizing crime and degeneracy.

In liberal states they were locking up the products not the criminals. The New York subway has young degenerates discharging fire extinguishers on people.

"A society which tolerates everything is intolerant to nothing and destined to fail because it does not have any standards."

"Degeneracy"? That sounds a lot like you're saying trans and lgbtq are degenerates.

No, I didn't say that and even gave examples of young people discharging fire extinguishers onto others in a crowded subway car.

Just how woke are you? Your counterarguments seem to be me falsely vilifying trans people, you just don't seem to have a point make otherwise.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

So they should let people just steal said product? The new york subway has long had thugs and jerks in it. Your quote actually sounds like you were agreeing with the paradox of tolerance...

Not what I was saying and I was referring to the legalized degenerate behavior which has become a part of the left's "pro-crime" policies we see in major democrat run cities.

"Compassion for the criminal" apparently means to the left we need to tolerate all bad behavior on account of people's feelings thus erasing societal standards for appropriate behavior.

That is what the quote meant.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Funny, how what is mostly deemed as hate speech is harmful to the regime and an excuse to step on and gain more control over everyone else's right of self expression.

There's a monumental difference between hate in speech and the speech you hate.

The excuse of self expression has long been used to justify allowing hate speech. That won't work on me.

Not surprising since you are unaware of the five core tenets for the freedom of speech or what they actually mean for society.

"Hate speech" doesn't exist - what is hateful to you is not universally hateful for everyone else so it's just a false government narrative to control what people can and cannot say.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

The guy who called lgbtq "degenerates" is going to try and act clever and tell me what hate speech is and isnt? I don' think so.

Never said they were degenerates and that's a rather nasty accusation, but thank you for showing how disingenuous and woke you really are.

Messaggio originale di Gravious:

Messaggio originale di Kai:

It is, lgtv shoved in, girl bosses, etc etc. You should remember they had glorified Yasuke in both Niohs even before Ubislop made it cool, along with body types, so they were in it for the whole message the entire time, just not blatantly degenerates like ubicrap, EA, microsft etc.

its not really a good game either as when they focus on crap like DEI rather than on making a passion project, this happens, so, just get this instead, looks good and woke free
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2680010/The_First_Berserker_Khazan/

I have never seen more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from someone talking about the game until I saw this post.

And then he links a Nexon game....who often creates oversexualized stuff to begin with.

Jesus christ....

So, my first question is what constitutes as oversexualized to you? Every person has a standard with varying degrees of terminuses.

I just want to know where exactly the transition happens with "this is perfectly fine" to "this is way too much" for you.

Is it your intent to argue that just because Nexon, just like every other developer, has created sexual content in games in the past they can't create a good game now?

[Grimdaddy]

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

This. But it's probably possible to not like "woke" stuff AND not like Nazis too...and the later are certainly not woke...

Woke - the sum totality of the self righteous SJWs whom have appointed themselves as the moral authority to dictate societal values yet are duplicitous since their own actions and values cannot live up to the ideological standards they want to impose on the rest of society.

Much like the people always running around screaming about racism and bigotry tend to be the biggest racists and bigots themselves.

Messaggio originale di Lord of the Exiled Winks:

I would say nazis are "woke" in their own way. As in they believe in an all encompassing ideology that essentially removes all mystery or nuance from politics, sociology, physical science etc; and replaces it with a set of firm and unquestionable beliefs i.e. axioms. They essentially created an ideological, methodological, telelogical, etc. Framework within which their perspective and point of view is the only valid and realistic one, and all others are foreign enemies i.e "other" that must be eliminated.

Are you sure you're not describing the modern democrat party?

Remove the label "Nazis" - whom were into identity politics just as Grimdaddy pointed out - and I could have sworn you were talking about the left wing orthodoxy.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

Show me where trans people are saying cis shouldn't even exist.

Well, "cis" doesn't exist, it's either heterosexual or one of these other sexual orientations. However, your argument is an irrelevant strawman.

You said the OP's was being an agitator and I made a statement about the other side doing the same thing - i.e. being agitators - referring to all the troll threads they create.

I never even brought trans into the equation on this particular point.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

More like the false "bullies are the victims" narrative is coming to an end.

The LGBTQ have become a politically protected group and empowered by government to act however they want with impunity and defended by disingenuous activists.

The moment any type of criticism is levied against the trans for controversial actions they commit the activists are quick to use the trans people's identity as some untenable shield and falsely dismiss any criticisms against them as "anti-trans" statements.

That is what is coming to an end.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

You're using fancy wordplay to basically say you're anti trans.

The leftist anti-trans narrative doesn't exist and you're still deflecting.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

"Degeneracy"? That sounds a lot like you're saying trans and lgbtq are degenerates.

No, I didn't say that and even gave examples of young people discharging fire extinguishers onto others in a crowded subway car.

Just how woke are you? Your counterarguments seem to be me falsely vilifying trans people, you just don't seem to have a point make otherwise.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

So they should let people just steal said product? The new york subway has long had thugs and jerks in it. Your quote actually sounds like you were agreeing with the paradox of tolerance...

Not what I was saying and I was referring to the legalized degenerate behavior which has become a part of the left's "pro-crime" policies we see in major democrat run cities.

"Compassion for the criminal" apparently means to the left we need to tolerate all bad behavior on account of people's feelings thus erasing societal standards for appropriate behavior.

That is what the quote meant.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

The excuse of self expression has long been used to justify allowing hate speech. That won't work on me.

Not surprising since you are unaware of the five core tenets for the freedom of speech or what they actually mean for society.

"Hate speech" doesn't exist - what is hateful to you is not universally hateful for everyone else so it's just a false government narrative to control what people can and cannot say.

Messaggio originale di eijibayushi:

The guy who called lgbtq "degenerates" is going to try and act clever and tell me what hate speech is and isnt? I don' think so.

Never said they were degenerates and that's a rather nasty accusation, but thank you for showing how disingenuous and woke you really are.

Messaggio originale di Gravious:

I have never seen more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from someone talking about the game until I saw this post.

And then he links a Nexon game....who often creates oversexualized stuff to begin with.

Jesus christ....

So, my first question is what constitutes as oversexualized to you? Every person has a standard with varying degrees of terminuses.

I just want to know where exactly the transition happens with "this is perfectly fine" to "this is way too much" for you.

Is it your intent to argue that just because Nexon, just like every other developer, has created sexual content in games in the past they can't create a good game now?

This guy is making good points. I would really like to see some honest, good faith answers to these questions and arguments. Is that possible?

I sincerely hope so. But if not, it will tell us everything we need to know, regardless.

Personally, I really want to support this game, but if it even has a whiff of identity politics on it, I am going to abstain.

[someoneproud]

Not at all, I played it a lot on release and there isn't any of that.

The they/them is obviously a cost saving exercise so they didn't need to record everything twice, it's not a statement about gender politics because there isn't anything like that in the game.

It's as you'd reasonably expect of a game set in Meiji restoration Japan, Japanese dudes having sword and gun fights, occasionally with British/American/French dudes involved.
The game never pushes or even approaches the usual current year drivel. It's about the Meiji restoration, it stays in it's lane and it ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slaps.

There's a woman in one of the sword dojos that freely admits that she could never match up to the men in combat. Would a "woke" game ever allow that?

[M͂͒̀λgi͡caℓ Ήo͓̽ﻇo̴]

Give me clowns instead

[Grimdaddy]

Messaggio originale di someoneproud:

Not at all, I played it a lot on release and there isn't any of that.

The they/them is obviously a cost saving exercise so they didn't need to record everything twice, it's not a statement about gender politics because there isn't anything like that in the game.

It's as you'd reasonably expect of a game set in Meiji restoration Japan, Japanese dudes having sword and gun fights, occasionally with British/American/French dudes involved.
The game never pushes or even approaches the usual current year drivel. It's about the Meiji restoration, it stays in it's lane and it ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slaps.

There's a woman in one of the sword dojos that freely admits that she could never match up to the men in combat. Would a "woke" game ever allow that?

All very good points, and good to hear. A question tho: did they keep Body Type 1 and 2, or are they properly displaying Male and Female options now?

[someoneproud]

Messaggio originale di Grimdaddy:

All very good points, and good to hear. A question tho: did they keep Body Type 1 and 2, or are they properly displaying Male and Female options now?

I never noticed it not saying male/female in the first place tbh but I can't imagine they'd change it now. If that's a dealbreaker for you then you're probably ♥♥♥♥ out of luck, a mod might come out for it but as most people are only gonna see it on character creation I doubt anyone will bother.

[Grimdaddy]

Messaggio originale di someoneproud:

Messaggio originale di Grimdaddy:

All very good points, and good to hear. A question tho: did they keep Body Type 1 and 2, or are they properly displaying Male and Female options now?

I never noticed it not saying male/female in the first place tbh but I can't imagine they'd change it now. If that's a dealbreaker for you then you're probably ♥♥♥♥ out of luck, a mod might come out for it but as most people are only gonna see it on character creation I doubt anyone will bother.

Thanks for answering, I appreciate it. It is a principle of mine that I will not bend, so I will pass on the game if that stuff is still in there. But I am glad for those that can enjoy it regardless.

I saw this stuff creep into games over the years, and we tolerated it to be accepting. But then it all went *way* too far, so I draw the line at any inclusion of it now.

I understand that not everyone will see it that way, it is a personal preference.

Thanks again for the info!

[MusclePig]

A thank you to OP for making the topic and summarizing it in the first post so I don't have to wade through offended snowflakes!

[eijibayushi]

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Woke - the sum totality of the self righteous SJWs whom have appointed themselves as the moral authority to dictate societal values yet are duplicitous since their own actions and values cannot live up to the ideological standards they want to impose on the rest of society.

Much like the people always running around screaming about racism and bigotry tend to be the biggest racists and bigots themselves.

Wrong. That isn't what woke means. Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE), originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. It is synonymous with the General American English word awake. Former US Congresswoman Marcia Fudge holding a T-shirt reading "Stay Woke: Vote" in 2018.

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Well, "cis" doesn't exist, it's either heterosexual or one of these other sexual orientations. However, your argument is an irrelevant strawman.

You said the OP's was being an agitator and I made a statement about the other side doing the same thing - i.e. being agitators - referring to all the troll threads they create.

I never even brought trans into the equation on this particular point.

CIS does indeed exist. The word cisgender (often shortened to cis; sometimes cissexual) describes a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth, i.e., someone who is not transgender. The prefix cis- is Latin and means on this side of.

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

The LGBTQ have become a politically protected group and empowered by government to act however they want with impunity and defended by disingenuous activists.

The moment any type of criticism is levied against the trans for controversial actions they commit the activists are quick to use the trans people's identity as some untenable shield and falsely dismiss any criticisms against them as "anti-trans" statements.

That is what is coming to an end.

lol whatever you say. No it is not "empowered to do whatever they want." Then explain their rights being taken away and things like efforts to remove gay marriage?

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

The leftist anti-trans narrative doesn't exist and you're still deflecting.

Riiiiiiight. That's why there's people screaching about trans in sports and trans men in the womens bathrooms trying to rape everybody.

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

No, I didn't say that and even gave examples of young people discharging fire extinguishers onto others in a crowded subway car.

Just how woke are you? Your counterarguments seem to be me falsely vilifying trans people, you just don't seem to have a point make otherwise.

And now you deny what you said. You used the term degenerates when speaking of LGBTQ earlier.

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Not what I was saying and I was referring to the legalized degenerate behavior which has become a part of the left's "pro-crime" policies we see in major democrat run cities.

"Compassion for the criminal" apparently means to the left we need to tolerate all bad behavior on account of people's feelings thus erasing societal standards for appropriate behavior.

That is what the quote meant.

So you're against having a felon as President? The left didn't vote in a Felon. You're contradicting yourself massively. Interesting you talk about societal standards for appropriate behavior. So Trump and Elon are displaying "appropriate behavior"?

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Not surprising since you are unaware of the five core tenets for the freedom of speech or what they actually mean for society.

"Hate speech" doesn't exist - what is hateful to you is not universally hateful for everyone else so it's just a false government narrative to control what people can and cannot say.

Not surprising you're making excuses for hate speech, which does exist. I know for sure now you're a white guy saying that. There is NO discussion to be had with anyone who thinks Nazis, racists, or other bigots should be allowed to speak.

Messaggio originale di Redacted:

Never said they were degenerates and that's a rather nasty accusation, but thank you for showing how disingenuous and woke you really are.

You did indeed say that and thanks for showing me and everyone else how full of it you are in your attempt to defend hateful speech and ideas. Woke isn't an insult if you aren't some sociopath with no empathy for others btw. It's amusing how you think you're clever but its very obvious you're into this hateful rhetoric by defending it.

[eijibayushi]

Messaggio originale di MusclePig:

A thank you to OP for making the topic and summarizing it in the first post so I don't have to wade through offended snowflakes!

you sound like a snowflake yourself though by that comment. A non "snowflake" would be able to deal with the snowflakes instead of wanting to avoid it?