why does every game after nioh and nioh 2 suck?

[pezcore87]

you would think they would have improved on that formula and perfected it. instead they just keep ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ out these garbage knock off games that feel so much worse to play?

[Mike]

Strangers of Paradise was great, Wo long after the patches and DLC was great, and now Rise of the Ronin is really fun an very challenging as well.

Not every game is for everyone and while I agree Nioh1-2 are peak, the other games are good in their own right.

[dathip]

strangers of paradise was amazing, wo long was pretty good, rise of the ronin I have yet to play but is totally different from its predecessors. So I will wait until late 2026 to pick this up until they fix it. Koei tecmo are NOT good at PC ports. However I agree Nioh 2 is total peak. Team Ninja/Koei Tecmo are on a role of their IPs though.

[Trilkin]

why is your opinion actually objectively wrong? none of the games post nioh have sucked.

[M808 Omega]

For me this game is more approachable than Nioh. I'm only 2 hours in RotR and really enjoying myself.

[Mitziete]

strangers of paradise had better combat than nioh 2, this game has better combat than strangers, they're improving everywhere besides the optimization and maybe originality

[Plank]

SoP was the tits actually. Wo Long was very middling though, depressingly cut back combat system. Such a shame because the movement and the parry was awesome, the weapon movesets were just felt anaemic. I do agree with the sentiment of 'hurry the ♥♥♥♥ up and make Nioh 3 already' though. They wouldn't even have to try that hard, just make Nioh with a jump.

[VDRSK]

Can't say I agree I believe Wo Long to be the best by a wide margin, Rise of the Ronin, is closer to nioh, I consider it also better then Nioh, a shame about the terrible port.

[Rosalina]

These games don't suck. But its hard to reach a bar that was set so hight by nioh 2.
So they just seem bad, but they are just not as good as nioh 2. Still good though.

[Happy Larry]

Could you elaborate us how this game is any bad in your opinion ? It plays like Nioh , somewhere better and more enjoyable + open world.
The real question is , did you actually play any Nioh game?

[Senki]

They don't, some nioh fans just have mental issues and can't accept anything different.

WoLong and Rise of the ronin are on the same level as Nioh for me. For every thing they do worse they also do something better. And I prefer to see different games than them doing the exact same game.

[VeraelHasta]

I love Nioh, I went through both of them a few times.
But the rest of their games is not strictly bad. I like that Team Ninja keeps experimenting with their formula instead of releasing the same game.

Although I wish they improved slightly in their visual department. Ronin is definitely an improvement in this regard, but it still looks very similar to previous games.

The only game I disliked for Strangers of Paradise, but it was more personal, I just didn't vibe with the weapon system and bosses feeling too similar to eachother.

[pezcore87]

Originally posted by Happy Larry:

Could you elaborate us how this game is any bad in your opinion ? It plays like Nioh , somewhere better and more enjoyable + open world.
The real question is , did you actually play any Nioh game?

i bought nioh 1&2 for ps5 and PC.

this game has 1 button for attacks 1 button for parry and thats all you do. parry attack parry attack rinse repeat for the whole game. every enemy engagement could be fought on a 2d plain, theres no need for the 3d space.

nioh had all the same weapon types, but also had multiple attack stances for each weapon, and you can move around the enemy and do damage to them in 3d space.

[AILAD]

Basically they knew they had so much goodwill with their Nioh fanbase and tried to capitalise on that by releasing as many games as possible.

They made 3 games in 3 years... All low effort low quality cash grabs. It's insane for a small studio to release that many games. Sucker Punch, with Sony budgets, released Tsushima in 2020, and they're releasing a sequel 5 years later.

Team Ninja's director said a couple of years ago that they plan to release a game every year going forward. In other words they gave up on making quality games. Their business strategy now is to ♥♥♥♥ out as many low effort slop games as possible to make quick cash.

[Ramark]

Originally posted by pezcore87:

this game has 1 button for attacks 1 button for parry and thats all you do. parry attack parry attack rinse repeat for the whole game. every enemy engagement could be fought on a 2d plain, theres no need for the 3d space.

nioh had all the same weapon types, but also had multiple attack stances for each weapon, and you can move around the enemy and do damage to them in 3d space.

That's wrong. For one, they give you several special moves, the grappling hook, and shuriken immediately. You fight large groups a lot in this game and the parry is based on your weapon's collision (only covers one direction), so it's important you position yourself for crowd control. I believe the tutorial tells you counterspark isn't always the best option, and against most enemies it really is as easy as walking back or sideways when they attack. There's also the dimension of controlling multiple characters at once.

You actually do get more than 3 stances for each weapon. They're mostly hidden unlockables besides the early purchase bonuses though, so it takes a long time for the system to open up. All the other tools you get at the beginning have lots of special uses you'll unlock with skill points, and there are many weapon types that show up later too. I do think the progression is way too slow and often obtuse because of the open world. They really should have started you with at least 2 stances, but it does have everything.

[Soul]

The Nioh games weren't that good either...