The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood

The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood

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dhampir_days Jun 23, 2023 @ 11:44am
awesome demo, 10/10, but just one thing...
I'm absolutely in love with this game concept, I think it's one of the most creative ideas I've seen for a video game. the designs are great and truly otherworldly, you're hooked immediately into the plot, begging for just a little peek, the amount of combinations are near endless, and I love our humorous Behemoth friend.

Just one thing I'm not so fond of is the lore mention that men cannot see magic, at least human men can't. one of the content warnings mentioned gender dysphoria will be involved, so does it explore gender and relations to magic? because while a trans woman being able to see and use magic would be rad as hell, it doesn't bode well for other trans people...

but that just might be me reading too much into it, apart from that it's a game where no two runs are exactly the same, and I'm never gonna shut up about it.
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MaGi Jun 23, 2023 @ 4:54pm 
I expect the game will go there, and do so respectfully. Deconstructeam has tackled gender and transphobia issues in the past and one of their team is trans.

I think it's more interesting (if controversial) for a game to explore what gender means and apply a gender fluid lens, than just say "gender doesn't matter in this world". This is very much a world where gender matters. It kind of reminds me of Dune in that the women have all the magic powers.
I Blame Nargles Jun 25, 2023 @ 10:49am 
I'm confused by this, what is your main "fear"/issue with this lore?
Is it just the fact that men aren't included?

Genuinely curious!
dhampir_days Jun 26, 2023 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by I Blame Nargles:
I'm confused by this, what is your main "fear"/issue with this lore?
Is it just the fact that men aren't included?

Genuinely curious!

honestly again I might just be reading too much into it but that sort of worldbuilding just kinda rubs me the wrong way I guess? I'm a trans guy so I'm viewing it through that lens. it's less that "men aren't included", because I understand this game is likely very focused on women, but more "if men can't see or use magic, what does that mean for trans men, trans women, and nonbinary people? does it only refer to cis men or are trans men unable to use magic?" it also feels a little gender role-ey

probably nothing, but I was just wondering considering the fact the game says it gets into things like gender dysphoria.
Last edited by dhampir_days; Jun 26, 2023 @ 11:42am
GreyShock  [developer] Jun 27, 2023 @ 12:43am 
Men can't become Witches in this universe, I'm sorry. The gender dysphoria content warning is not related to that specifically, though! We won't say much more until the game is released and we can adequately discuss any topics :)
black409dar Jul 5, 2023 @ 1:10am 
cool demo would like to see voice acting. and a save button to go back and chose a different route to take.
stormforecaster Aug 3, 2023 @ 3:12pm 
As a non-binary person, I'm curious whether someone like me could become a Witch in this universe or not - and whether that's going to be considered/discussed in the game. Devs, would you like to respond? :)
whitneygal Aug 9, 2023 @ 9:32pm 
Originally posted by stormforecaster:
As a non-binary person, I'm curious whether someone like me could become a Witch in this universe or not - and whether that's going to be considered/discussed in the game. Devs, would you like to respond? :)

I'm not involved with the game development, so this is just my interpretation of the game's universe. I think that whether or not you can become a witch depends on your biological sex, not your gender. Maybe having a Y chromosome cancels out the potential.
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whitneygal Aug 9, 2023 @ 9:42pm 
Originally posted by AceOfJacks:
Originally posted by I Blame Nargles:
I'm confused by this, what is your main "fear"/issue with this lore?
Is it just the fact that men aren't included?

Genuinely curious!

honestly again I might just be reading too much into it but that sort of worldbuilding just kinda rubs me the wrong way I guess? I'm a trans guy so I'm viewing it through that lens. it's less that "men aren't included", because I understand this game is likely very focused on women, but more "if men can't see or use magic, what does that mean for trans men, trans women, and nonbinary people? does it only refer to cis men or are trans men unable to use magic?" it also feels a little gender role-ey

Sex-based genes are not "gender role-ey." If a gene/trait/etc. is specifically tied to Y chromosomes, then XX females will not have it, but XY and XYY males, XXY females, and intersex people will have it.

My impression is that, in this game universe, access to witchcraft is like a genetic trait solely found in biological female genes -- or that biological male genes cancel out the potential.

Originally posted by MaGi:
This is very much a world where gender matters.

It seems more like a world where biological sex matters. Sex and gender are not the same thing. One is biology (static), and the other is identity (fluid). They're both very important in shaping each individual human, but they aren't interchangeable.

It's important to note that character traits are not bound to chromosomes. Any trait can exist in any chromosomal configuration. Personality is not sex-based. However, human society is historically lazy and incapable of nuance, so we like to sort traits into quick-and-easy "buckets" - e.g., cooking is feminine, sports are masculine. That's where we get our societal gender roles and stereotypes.
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Rainbow Trenchcoat Aug 21, 2023 @ 11:33am 
Originally posted by GreyShock:
Men can't become Witches in this universe, I'm sorry. The gender dysphoria content warning is not related to that specifically, though! We won't say much more until the game is released and we can adequately discuss any topics :)
So now that the game's been released, would you be willing to discuss this more? It seems odd that in a world where you have entities that can grant incredible power and survive the literal death of the universe that only people without a Y chromosome can become Witches.
GreyShock  [developer] Aug 22, 2023 @ 3:14am 
It has nothing to do with chromosomes, though.
Aukyron Aug 22, 2023 @ 8:04am 
What kind of demo makes me diligently place stuff on a pizza for 10 minutes?

10/10 would bake again.
MPT Aug 22, 2023 @ 9:58am 
If you're on the fence in regards to this issue and don't mind a general overview of how this is handled in the game, click on the very mild spoiler below from my first playthrough:

The ability to ascend to witchhood is linked to a sliding scale toward femininity. In the game, it is stated literally that women, trans women, and nonbinary folk can all become witches. Anyone who is specifically stated to be a "man" can not become a witch. So this will include cis men, trans men, and (I suspect, given the rules of this universe, but not specifically stated in the game) nonbinary folks that lean heavily on the masc side of the scale who can not become witches.
Last edited by MPT; Aug 22, 2023 @ 10:00am
Rainbow Trenchcoat Aug 23, 2023 @ 12:07pm 
Thanks for clarifying- that's OK for me.
stormforecaster Sep 9, 2023 @ 5:33pm 
Thanks for that overview, MPT, the extra clarity is much appreciated! :D

Now I'm left wondering if the game-universe relies on a two-point sliding scale concept of gender, and if so what happens with folks whose genderfeels fall outside/beyond being a fixed point on such a line (like agender folk or genderfluid folk), or who align with an somewhat less conventional variant of 'femininity' (such as being a butch lesbian), or who are questioning, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if these cases aren't explicitly accounted for within the narrative. It'd be wildly cool if they were, though.
sophi Oct 1, 2023 @ 12:58pm 
Honestly, I am not too happy with how the requirement of identifying as a woman or having a nonbinary identity in order to ascend is handled in the specific case of the Peppermancer. The specific scene where she is introduced, it sounds fairly much to me like Fortuna tells her something which honestly made me feel a bit unhappy and hurt.

The way I read Fortuna's dialogue there was "I know your gender better than you do, and that you never saw yourself as a woman or even have thought much about gender identity while you were still a human is irrelevant to the matter." I understand that ascending necessitates a female gender in this universe, but either Fortuna's analogy between ascension and gender transition comes from a place of understanding yet ignoring that one does not just make so sudden realizations about their own gender identity, or it does not come from a place of understanding, i.e. she has no idea whether these two things are similar in the first place..

I think the rest of the game - as far as I played so far - treats gender-related topics pretty well, so this one specific section felt jarring and out of place to me. Dwelling on it, I think it might be just happening too suddenly, and that they haven't talked for long enough for Fortunate to make definitive statements like that. I'd rather have the other witch come to that realization herself, and just maybe for the realization to take that more than one single meeting.

Can anyone tell me what makes them feel differently from me about this? I'd be happy to get another perspective on this scene and hopefully someone has a more positive reading on it.
Last edited by sophi; Oct 1, 2023 @ 12:58pm
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