Okehazama Event Battle

[Ger]

It is not specially important, but I got annoyed when I realized you can only play the Okehazama Event battle with Nobunaga's army.

You cannot play the event with Yoshimoto Imagawa and thwart Nobunaga's sneak attack.

It surprised me bc in the battle of Yamasaki between Hideyoshi and Mitsuhide, you can actually play the event with both sides.

Could have been cool add some more storyline for Yoshimoto and make more events until his arrive at the capital.

[SwashbucklingChef]

The campaign is pretty uneven as far as where you can deviate from history. I was really impressed when I played a campaign around the Sekigahara era and found cutscenes had various dialog options to let you branch off from the story... and then I played a campaign at the earliest point for Oda Nobuhide and this stuff is nowhere to be found.

[Blahto Blahtoto]

... yeah, currently playing "A Brotherly Revolt" scenario, Nobukatsu will still die after Okhezama. Also I have to wait 1560 for Okehazama event, almost got wiped out by the Imagawa. xD

[Nox]

This is nobunagas ambition not yoshimotos ambition.

[BloodyPork]

Yoshimoto Imagawa has a fictional event (but not event battle), he needs to beat Nobunaga before 1560 (but Sessai need to have died already) and then the event plays.

[Ger]

Originally posted by Nox:

This is nobunagas ambition not yoshimotos ambition.

Like if there were no other daimyos in the game.

Was not Yoshimoto in the midst of his own ambition when he was assassinated?
Like Nobunaga when Mitsuhide had enough of him?

[Vin362]

At least in the more recent titles Yoshimoto has actually gotten decent stats in the past titles he was lucky to even have anything over 70 with government being his only good stat.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by Vin362:

At least in the more recent titles Yoshimoto has actually gotten decent stats in the past titles he was lucky to even have anything over 70 with government being his only good stat.

That was ridiculous honestly. If he was so bad he wouldn't be able to grew the Imagawa during his reign. Dude was just unlucky at one moment.

[Ger]

You both are right. It is Koei's fault to put those underrated stats in past games.
Yoshimoto, like Yuan Shao in RTK, was the laughing stock in older titles, but began to gain more "respect" from PS2 titles.

The game is obviously too "Nobunagized", with Yoshimoto Imagawa being the fool who show off his head only to die, Nagamasa Azai the young inexperienced leader who challenged him and Mitsuhide the insecure traitor that didn't know what was he was doing.
Despite what the Honnoji event says, he really knew what was doing.

Nobunaga turned cruel, ruthless, killed several key retainers, incited Mitsuhide's mother's death by killing the Hatano prisoners that Mitsuhide promised to keep safe and was the only responsible of the Ikko-Ikki sect massacre at Mt. Hiei.

You will never see the NA franchise praising him, since it all turns around Nobunaga, Shingen and Kenshin. I was destined to be one of his voices, it seems.

Returning to the stats matter, it was a question of time to give Yoshimoto the place he deserved.
Historically and in contrast with Awakening's Okehazama Event, Yoshimoto was able to defend himself from Nobunaga's ambush, but was only defeated (beheaded) bc he was eventually overcomed by several soldiers. So yes, he was also a very decent warrior.

I am starting to get sick to see every daimyo that is not Nobunaga is a useless jester.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by Ger:

You both are right. It is Koei's fault to put those underrated stats in past games.
Yoshimoto, like Yuan Shao in RTK, was the laughing stock in older titles, but began to gain more "respect" from PS2 titles.

The game is obviously too "Nobunagized", with Yoshimoto Imagawa being the fool who show off his head only to die, Nagamasa Azai the young inexperienced leader who challenged him and Mitsuhide the insecure traitor that didn't know what was he was doing.
Despite what the Honnoji event says, he really knew what was doing.

Nobunaga turned cruel, ruthless, killed several key retainers, incited Mitsuhide's mother's death by killing the Hatano prisoners that Mitsuhide promised to keep safe and was the only responsible of the Ikko-Ikki sect massacre at Mt. Hiei.

You will never see the NA franchise praising him, since it all turns around Nobunaga, Shingen and Kenshin. I was destined to be one of his voices, it seems.

Returning to the stats matter, it was a question of time to give Yoshimoto the place he deserved.
Historically and in contrast with Awakening's Okehazama Event, Yoshimoto was able to defend himself from Nobunaga's ambush, but was only defeated (beheaded) bc he was eventually overcomed by several soldiers. So yes, he was also a very decent warrior.

I am starting to get sick to see every daimyo that is not Nobunaga is a useless jester.

Mitsuhide is actually the best carry in this game because of his traits is op he half time to do anything. He's definitely much better here comparatively than in any of the previous games.

And considering diplomacy is OP since AI can never refuse your requests, Yoshimoto Imagawa basically can manipulate anyone regardless of their stance if desired with his trait, literally forced alliance with anyone meaning it's impossible to actually lose with him since technically he can ally with anyone he desires.

So compared to previous games these 2 are much better here than they ever were.

The ones who are worse here compared to previous games are the females. Except a few like Myorin Yoshioka because of her traits (2 useful traits in one package, previous games she's just low statted fodder). The rest gets like useless situational traits mostly, a ton of them has impregnable, what makes particularly bad is that there are a ton of officers that has it and you never need that many.

[Erik]

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

Originally posted by Vin362:

At least in the more recent titles Yoshimoto has actually gotten decent stats in the past titles he was lucky to even have anything over 70 with government being his only good stat.

That was ridiculous honestly. If he was so bad he wouldn't be able to grew the Imagawa during his reign. Dude was just unlucky at one moment.

Maybe also something to do with balancing.
If He has good stats, then his alliance with the takeda/Hojo would be the most OP thing in the game.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by Erik:

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

That was ridiculous honestly. If he was so bad he wouldn't be able to grew the Imagawa during his reign. Dude was just unlucky at one moment.

Maybe also something to do with balancing.
If He has good stats, then his alliance with the takeda/Hojo would be the most OP thing in the game.

Except that Hojo and Takeda has great stats and better generals so they are already more op by default. Uesugi might seem like a strong opponent but they lack intelligence, Sadamitsu Usami was the only intelligent guy but he die from event with another one of their better general Masakage Nagao. Imagawa literally has no one good other than the dead Sessai, unless we count Motoyasu's retainers (but at the early start date only like Tadatsugu Sakai exist which is kinda mediocre).