Why are guns so scarce and ammunition so incredibly expensive

[Barticus]

My mother gets wounded and ultimately killed and loses her gun? Why don't i start with a gun? The only pistol is a colt that vary in price with no explanation of damage. Ammuntion is $10 per bullet which would have been a months pay per bullet in those days and at the current economics. This is a cowboy game! All the photos are cowboys with guns. There is no rifle ammo. What is going on with this one thing? It should be available from the very introduction to the game.

[The Old Bear]

I wonder if it's a bug or a mistake. when I bought them it said cartridge, so I thought I was buying like 40 bullets when I spent $40 on four cartridges. It was only four bullets lol. That can't be right. The devs must have made a mistake there

[The Old Bear]

*Spoiler*

there is a gun on a dead guy in the cave you bury your mother in. It is behind a boarded up area. you can chop through it with an axe.

[Barticus]

Originally posted by The Old Bear:

I wonder if it's a bug or a mistake. when I bought them it said cartridge, so I thought I was buying like 40 bullets when I spent $40 on four cartridges. It was only four bullets lol. That can't be right. The devs must have made a mistake there

I think they didn't. The pistols are reasonable in price, and the rifle. But the ammunition makes them ridiculous!! Find it in chests i've read. That's just stupid. Why would 1 bullet be 10 dollars?!!!! Also rifle ammo is unavailable!! find it in chests my ass. There is no ammunition by design. This is a cowboy simulation! Not a bow and arrow simulation. There are so many things to fix but this has to be at the top of the list. There is nothing historically accurate about this.

[Spotter]

Originally posted by Barticus:

My mother gets wounded and ultimately killed and loses her gun? Why don't i start with a gun? The only pistol is a colt that vary in price with no explanation of damage. Ammuntion is $10 per bullet which would have been a months pay per bullet in those days and at the current economics. This is a cowboy game! All the photos are cowboys with guns. There is no rifle ammo. What is going on with this one thing? It should be available from the very introduction to the game.

A month after the EA Release, I asked the same question. Why are Town Stores so barren and Empty of goods that Settlers need?

[SwordsOfTheSouth_Toplitz]

Originally posted by Barticus:

My mother gets wounded and ultimately killed and loses her gun? Why don't i start with a gun?

Maybe the bandits took it?

[Barticus]

Originally posted by SwordsOfTheSouth:

Originally posted by Barticus:

My mother gets wounded and ultimately killed and loses her gun? Why don't i start with a gun?

Maybe the bandits took it?

Maybe they didn't. It doesn't show them taking anything. But don't worry. it doesn't matter because ammunition is almost non existent and so expensive it's like buying a new ranch every time you want 50 rounds. Also you could start us with muzzle loading shotgun, rifle or cap and ball revolver which were the predecessors to cartridge firearms and were super available cheap after the civil war. They take a long time to load but the ammo is even cheaper. We'd just need black powder and the projectile (and the cap if you wanted to include them) Which even now is super cheap. Hell, modern ammo for .45 long colt is $1 per round which is much higher than when this time frame is. I get that down the road there will probably hopefully be more selections of firearms. And that hopefully they will have different range, and damage. But we need something more than a bow and arrow for the normal cowboy weapon. Also i tried to kill a coyote with a woodsman ax. It did no damage and wouldn't even swing at it. It definitely should work. Even a stick would work as a melee weapon.

Here is a price list i took from 2 different catalogues from the era. Please note the prices are per 1000:

Remington 1877 catalogue all rim fire price per 1000.
.22 = $6 .22 long = $8 .25 = $8.80 .30 =$11 .30 long = $12.50 .32 short & ex short = $12 .32 long = $13.50 32 ex long = $16.50 .38 short = $17 .38 long = $18 .38 long = $24 .41 =$15 .41 long = $19 .44 short = $22 44 long = $24 .44 Henry = $24 44 ex long = $34 .56-46 & 56-50 =$40 56-52 rifle & 56-56 carbine = $38
45-70 Gov = $37 (I assume 500gr bullet) 45-70 carbine (405gr?) =$35

From colt catalogue 1890 center fire and rim fire price per 1000
.22rf = $5 .22rf long = $6 .30rf = $9 .30rf long = $10.50 .41rf short = $15 .41rf long = $17.50 .32cf Short colt = $11 .32cf (CNMR) = $16 .38 short colt = $13.50

i'd definitely be fine with starting with a single shot muzzle loading shot gun and 500 rounds of buck shot and a pint and a half of black powder.

[Spotter]

Originally posted by Barticus:

Originally posted by SwordsOfTheSouth:

Maybe the bandits took it?

Maybe they didn't. ...i'd definitely be fine with starting with a single shot muzzle loading shot gun and 500 rounds of buck shot and a pint and a half of black powder.

I 2nd that Barticus. Heck, I'd be happy with 250 Rounds, which was the average Settlers had in Wagon Trains, and Single Family travels even.

The game is going to flop, unless they make Town Resources more available. 👍👍🤠

[Chopper Dave]

Here is a price list i took from 2 different catalogues from the era. Please note the prices are per 1000:

Remington 1877 catalogue all rim fire price per 1000.
.22 = $6 .22 long = $8 .25 = $8.80 .30 =$11 .30 long = $12.50 .32 short & ex short = $12 .32 long = $13.50 32 ex long = $16.50 .38 short = $17 .38 long = $18 .38 long = $24 .41 =$15 .41 long = $19 .44 short = $22 44 long = $24 .44 Henry = $24 44 ex long = $34 .56-46 & 56-50 =$40 56-52 rifle & 56-56 carbine = $38
45-70 Gov = $37 (I assume 500gr bullet) 45-70 carbine (405gr?) =$35

From colt catalogue 1890 center fire and rim fire price per 1000
.22rf = $5 .22rf long = $6 .30rf = $9 .30rf long = $10.50 .41rf short = $15 .41rf long = $17.50 .32cf Short colt = $11 .32cf (CNMR) = $16 .38 short colt = $13.50

i'd definitely be fine with starting with a single shot muzzle loading shot gun and 500 rounds of buck shot and a pint and a half of black powder.

Pff, Americans. Guncrazy as always.

[Spotter]

Originally posted by Chopper Dave:

Here is a price list i took from 2 different catalogues from the era. Please note the prices are per 1000:

Remington 1877 catalogue all rim fire price per 1000.
.22 = $6 .22 long = $8 .25 = $8.80 .30 =$11 .30 long = $12.50 .32 short & ex short = $12 .32 long = $13.50 32 ex long = $16.50 .38 short = $17 .38 long = $18 .38 long = $24 .41 =$15 .41 long = $19 .44 short = $22 44 long = $24 .44 Henry = $24 44 ex long = $34 .56-46 & 56-50 =$40 56-52 rifle & 56-56 carbine = $38
45-70 Gov = $37 (I assume 500gr bullet) 45-70 carbine (405gr?) =$35

From colt catalogue 1890 center fire and rim fire price per 1000
.22rf = $5 .22rf long = $6 .30rf = $9 .30rf long = $10.50 .41rf short = $15 .41rf long = $17.50 .32cf Short colt = $11 .32cf (CNMR) = $16 .38 short colt = $13.50

i'd definitely be fine with starting with a single shot muzzle loading shot gun and 500 rounds of buck shot and a pint and a half of black powder.

Pff, Americans. Guncrazy as always.

Pft Foreigners, Criminal lovers as always.

[Chopper Dave]

I have no idea what that means. Some kind of local meme, apparently.

[Gage]

Originally posted by Barticus:

My mother gets wounded and ultimately killed and loses her gun? Why don't i start with a gun? The only pistol is a colt that vary in price with no explanation of damage. Ammuntion is $10 per bullet which would have been a months pay per bullet in those days and at the current economics. This is a cowboy game! All the photos are cowboys with guns. There is no rifle ammo. What is going on with this one thing? It should be available from the very introduction to the game.

The way the game originally started out when the game first launched made the main character look like what we call an effeminate boy today. Anyways it was a terrible start to an old west game when we were hoping for RDR2 old west type stuff. What we got was a conscientious objector/woke/this aint my old west kind of game. Apparently we were sorely mistaken.

I agree that not having ready access to ammunition in an "old west" game is really a travesty border lining on an abomination of the era.

And Chopper Dave how about you go try your luck on a wolf/bear/mountain lion/bandit/bank robber/highway men/gunslinger/indian with your pocket knife

[Spotter]

Originally posted by Chopper Dave:

I have no idea what that means. Some kind of local meme, apparently.

You are clueless at Stellar Levels. First you slander Gun Owners, and America. Then claim you have no idea what my reply meant? LMAO

[mar.sternb]

The ammunition sytem is garbage at this time .. unable to produce till a late game point ... to expensive in the normal state of game
(oh yes ..I can produce tousends of stone knifes and sell then ONE BY ONE to a vendor to get cash ..sorry thats a bad joke)

[Capuzzi09]

Originally posted by mar.sternb:

The ammunition sytem is garbage at this time .. unable to produce till a late game point ... to expensive in the normal state of game
(oh yes ..I can produce tousends of stone knifes and sell then ONE BY ONE to a vendor to get cash ..sorry thats a bad joke)

Just build a few houses, put some furniture inside and rent them out to settlers. You can negotiate the rent. I get about $ 70-80 for a house with just a bed, a chair, a desk and a chest inside. Per settler and per day. Do this, wait a day or two and you can buy everything which the gun vendor in Hope has in stock.
Also, it's not that difficult to produce bullets yourself, and it's by no means "late game stuff" or anything like that.
Just build an iron mine, place a warehouse and some houses within city range to the mine and then assign a settler to the mine as a worker. Now build a blacksmith workbench (you don't need to unlock the blacksmith building for this), put it in any house and you can make more bullets than you'll ever need.

[Barticus]

Originally posted by Capuzzi09:

Originally posted by mar.sternb:

The ammunition sytem is garbage at this time .. unable to produce till a late game point ... to expensive in the normal state of game
(oh yes ..I can produce tousends of stone knifes and sell then ONE BY ONE to a vendor to get cash ..sorry thats a bad joke)

Just build a few houses, put some furniture inside and rent them out to settlers. You can negotiate the rent. I get about $ 70-80 for a house with just a bed, a chair, a desk and a chest inside. Per settler and per day. Do this, wait a day or two and you can buy everything which the gun vendor in Hope has in stock.
Also, it's not that difficult to produce bullets yourself, and it's by no means "late game stuff" or anything like that.
Just build an iron mine, place a warehouse and some houses within city range to the mine and then assign a settler to the mine as a worker. Now build a blacksmith workbench (you don't need to unlock the blacksmith building for this), put it in any house and you can make more bullets than you'll ever need.

riiiggghhhhtt.. this is how the original settlers did it. And most cowboys and ranchers.. they paid for ammunition after building a town, a mine, a lumber yard and several other structures using their bows and cowboy arrows all the way, to be able to purchase 1 bullet for what would have been a weeks pay back then and in the economy that this game is set in. That sound stupidly fun also. How about no Scott