is it soo bad?

[t3gk]

Based on the reviews, it's what I think of first hand, I'm enjoying until today Medieval Dynasty and his updates. I would like this game having played MD? It is WWD so bugged?

[tilarium]

Haven't read the reviews in a bit but if they are anything like some of the early ones and the ones on other early access games, then they are mostly from people that don't understand what early access is. It's not a complete game, it's a game that is still in active development and in the case of this game, very early active development.

As for the question at hand. It's a very early access game, it isn't complete and it has bugs and other issues. But when you look through that, the game has great bones and as long as the devs keep updating and working on it (which I have no doubt on) then it will become a great game. Is it bad? When compared to Medieval Dynasty or other complete and released games, yes. Is it bad? When compared to other early access games, no. Is it bad? When taken on it's own merits and viewing the potential of the game, no. It's a fun game, even in it's very raw state, and as I mentioned earlier, it's true potential is very much evident and I know it will be a great game that will, in time, provide me with hundreds of hours of entertainment.

[Tazmo]

Do not think of this as a playable game just yet. As tilarium said this is very early access. There are playable parts that work just fine and others that are bugged. Those of us playing are trying to locate the bugged parts from a player's perspective and reporting them here. Everyone's help is appreciated and anyone may have ideas that could effect how parts of the game develops. If that interests you then by all means pick the game up. It can be both interesting and entertaining at the same time. In the end we hope it's as good as MD but in a different way.

[Firedervil]

That's not quite true. After the last patch, the basic things seem to be working as they should. Of course, the content is a bit meager. I think that will come. It feels like it's going much smoother than before.

[t3gk]

Originally posted by Tazmo:

Do not think of this as a playable game just yet. As tilarium said this is very early access. There are playable parts that work just fine and others that are bugged. Those of us playing are trying to locate the bugged parts from a player's perspective and reporting them here. Everyone's help is appreciated and anyone may have ideas that could effect how parts of the game develops. If that interests you then by all means pick the game up. It can be both interesting and entertaining at the same time. In the end we hope it's as good as MD but in a different way.

But just 40% of people liked the game, it's all the game bugged or a few parts of this? It's very strange seeing game gettint 40% positive in steam, I just remember BF2042 and this game

[Goldi_Toplitz]

MD was quite bugged in the beginning too. I was part of the bug hunting team then and still am now. So I remember some of the especially frustrating or funny ones (looking at you, Alwin!), and I started over many times. But because of that I also know what hard work and dedication can do and how the cooperation between players, publisher and devs shapes a game into something amazing.

That said, no, WWD now is not what MD is now. It is quite a jump from a game that has been around for several years and improved a lot over time to one that has only just released into Early Access. And it is still in the very early stages of Early Access. At the moment we focus on performance, stability and gamebreaking bugs. With time more content will be added. A lot of improvements will and have to happen along the way, including graphics and overall look.

From what I have seen, I think this difference is what a lot of people did not expect and WWD could have benefitted from more development time alone, behind the scenes, but being faced with the decision now or never, we decided on now, because this project has been eagerly awaited by a lot of you and because we believe that it has a lot of potential, similar to MD, with differences, but with the same heart.

Right now it's still a clumsy baby sometimes, but we will do our best to let it grow into a dashing hero.

We appreciate the support we get for that a lot. Bug reports and feedback make Early Access so amazing. But we also understand everybody who rather wants to wait and see. :)

[t3gk]

Originally posted by nl_toplitz:

MD was quite bugged in the beginning too. I was part of the bug hunting team then and still am now. So I remember some of the especially frustrating or funny ones (looking at you, Alwin!), and I started over many times. But because of that I also know what hard work and dedication can do and how the cooperation between players, publisher and devs shapes a game into something amazing.

That said, no, WWD now is not what MD is now. It is quite a jump from a game that has been around for several years and improved a lot over time to one that has only just released into Early Access. And it is still in the very early stages of Early Access. At the moment we focus on performance, stability and gamebreaking bugs. With time more content will be added. A lot of improvements will and have to happen along the way, including graphics and overall look.

From what I have seen, I think this difference is what a lot of people did not expect and WWD could have benefitted from more development time alone, behind the scenes, but being faced with the decision now or never, we decided on now, because this project has been eagerly awaited by a lot of you and because we believe that it has a lot of potential, similar to MD, with differences, but with the same heart.

Right now it's still a clumsy baby sometimes, but we will do our best to let it grow into a dashing hero.

We appreciate the support we get for that a lot. Bug reports and feedback make Early Access so amazing. But we also understand everybody who rather wants to wait and see. :)

So, can I expect in a while the same quality of WWD as MD? I just want a new MD after I complete it haha, thanks for the reply!

[Goldi_Toplitz]

It will never be MD with flipped assets. It uses some new mechanics, has a different story and it uses a different engine. However I think that in the end most MD players should feel at home here in the West too.

[mjt1447]

I recently loaded my oldest MD file that would run. WOW was it bad. I remember when MD started and the NPC would be standing on his roof or neck deep in the river so you couldn't find him. I was chased by Wolves from Gastovia to Hornica, I called it the Wolf run. Sometimes you made it sometimes the wolf pack chased you into to town or right into your house just to take a bite out of you. I remember when they changed venders and I had to divorce my wife because she was a vender now after 20 years as my wife. Thankfully I managed to find a new wife once or son was grown. Ya it was buggy alright but it had tons of playable content and a beautify landscape. Dev teem should look at pictures of Colorado and the mountains of California if they wanted the real west. instead of a John Ford Death Valley only area. Dev team needs to broaden it's view. That's why it's too early for this game not the bug's but the lack of playable content at this time. Also add color, Be inventive. Think North West not just South West. Dodge City is in Kansas thats more central US with Buffalo roaming and lots of Grass. Look at a map. Landscape should be reworked from scratch. I'll stop now I feel like I'm ranting and It's not that bad. It's just not what so many hoped for.

[Winter's Embers]

I think the devs were looking at those spaghetti westerns with an eye toward the desolation for a reason. Go to the real red rock canyons of Utah and take a look around. You'll find quite a lot of similarity between the game and the real place. And the setting is especially apt when you throw in the absolute harshness of the land itself. The earliest settlers as well as the indigenous population struggled mightily in this part of the land because of a lack of water, terrible growing seasons, harsh and unforgiving landscape, and brutal temperature swings. Judging from the game thus far and what is available, it certainly reminds me of those desolate lands although the game posts more greenery in the prairie lands (we need that so we have trees to harvest).
Dynasty games have been trending into the survival mode and this is an excellent place to set a survival-based style because, once implemented, the harsh realities of this landscape are going to hit the player in the eye like a stone hammer. I look forward to the day when I have to adjust for the brutal temperatures and try to find good spot to lay those precious food seeds.
Yes, MD was bad in the beginning just like this one is. The two games will likely run a parallel path in development as well, although WWD did come a mite bit earlier because of budgeting needs. To answer the OP's question of 'is it bad?" Yes, it's bad. It's so bad it can make you want to tear your own hair out. But that's the beauty of it. YOU will help shape the game. Not just the bug fixing and smoothness, but the actual content. I know that the story and gameplay changed significantly in MD because of the input of players in the EA, perhaps in ways the developers didn't intend but it worked.
So, it's bad. And that's the best thing going for it!
Oh, and if you think Kansas is northwest, you might want to avoid Washington, Idaho and Oregon for the foreseeable future. We won't like you much!!!

[t3gk]

Originally posted by nl_toplitz:

It will never be MD with flipped assets. It uses some new mechanics, has a different story and it uses a different engine. However I think that in the end most MD players should feel at home here in the West too.

Thanks for the info, I will be waiting for new updates and how the game evolves.

[mjt1447]

LOL To a guy from NY anything west of the Mississippi is the West lol. Seriously I understand the landscape they picked. I lived in Nevada for 7 years. The Dev team decided on a Monument Valley Utah Red Rock Canyon landscape.

Just one problem. NO ONE built a Dynasty in Death Valley. No one lives in that part of the country without water. The clue is in the name.

Dynasty's were built in the mountains of Colorado with gold and silver. The same for California. You don't find gold in Red Rock's The entire West from Washington to San Diego and from San Francisco to Doge City Kansas. was open for a choice and the Dev's picked the most dull place in North America and say Ya I'll build my Dynasty in the Desert.

If the game isn't visually appealing or at least attractive to play in than that's a problem that needs to be brought to the Dev teams attention. I mean no offence. The fact that the main town is in the middle of the desert and that a perfectly good river in just north of the town is kind of odd. But it's a game and we shouldn't forget that.

If the plan is to make this a shooter game then let us in on it. I thought it was a builder game. Well we will see. I can't wait till some fool on the Dev team add's killing Indians to the game. That will go over so big in the USA. Sarcasm intended.

[Winter's Embers]

Well, it's already been revealed that there is a third biome for the game that hasn't even been added to the map. It is very likely that the current map will also change. Putting up opinions here and now can help that development so you're points aren't lost on me and I doubt they'll be lost on the dev team either.
As for the indigenous element, sadly, it would be par for the course to have a running war between the tribes and the settlers. I sincerely hope the devs don't bother with this element. There's a fine line between adding verisimilitude and putting too much realism into the game. Games should be for enjoyment. We can argue the point on the addition of indigenous tribal aspects until we're blue in the face (go read the arguments STILL ongoing in the Horizon: Zero Dawn/Forbidden West forums) and it will only breed contempt and anger. As a descendant of one of those tribes, I think it's best we focus on what is (a game worth playing) instead of what was (hurt, pain, sadness).
And I doubt it's a shooter game. The rifle doesn't even fire yet, although I do get some satisfying clicks when I dry-fire it! Besides, I can't sing "I shot the sheriff" cuz everyone is impervious to bullets!

[Kimokeo]

Originally posted by mjt1447:

LOL To a guy from NY anything west of the Mississippi is the West lol. Seriously I understand the landscape they picked. I lived in Nevada for 7 years. The Dev team decided on a Monument Valley Utah Red Rock Canyon landscape.

Just one problem. NO ONE built a Dynasty in Death Valley. No one lives in that part of the country without water. The clue is in the name.

Dynasty's were built in the mountains of Colorado with gold and silver. The same for California. You don't find gold in Red Rock's The entire West from Washington to San Diego and from San Francisco to Doge City Kansas. was open for a choice and the Dev's picked the most dull place in North America and say Ya I'll build my Dynasty in the Desert.

If the game isn't visually appealing or at least attractive to play in than that's a problem that needs to be brought to the Dev teams attention. I mean no offence. The fact that the main town is in the middle of the desert and that a perfectly good river in just north of the town is kind of odd. But it's a game and we shouldn't forget that.

If the plan is to make this a shooter game then let us in on it. I thought it was a builder game. Well we will see. I can't wait till some fool on the Dev team add's killing Indians to the game. That will go over so big in the USA. Sarcasm intended.

What is the point of this post? I love because you capitalize letters and state "NO ONE" it must be true. So i'll indulge. 300-500 people do live in Death Valley year round. Red rock canyon crosses both states, who knows? the location could be anywhere in the vicinity. I love a person who insults then follows it up with "I mean no offense" the arrogance to assume that just because you don't find that country appealing there for, we all must not find it appealing. Look at Las Vegas, you think that popped up overnight? its in the middle of the desert.
So again why not this location? I see a river for shipping I see land for railways the Vanderbilt family? Or perhaps open a bank be the Rockefeller family. There the word Dynasty covered. This post should be deleted as it offers nothing of value except insults and the usual "make it how I want it to be" or else NO ONE will buy it.

[BecketsGD]

In my case, MD in early access was harsh, but it graphics and animations saved it for me.I saw potential there. I was not disappointed in the end. WWD has a more outdated feel to it, but it can be a decent game if I ignore the "dynasty" expectations. I don''t know if WWD will be able to make decorating quite as in depth as MD, but who know, I am no dev. The ability to drop foods and items for added customisation is a big selling point in MD for me. BUT WWD allows for building and moving furniture around so who knows. IT may be great in time. I will obviously wait for some stuff like controller support to find out, but I WILL be looking into this game in the future

[Winter's Embers]

Originally posted by anarchisticlees:

In my case, MD in early access was harsh, but it graphics and animations saved it for me.I saw potential there. I was not disappointed in the end. WWD has a more outdated feel to it, but it can be a decent game if I ignore the "dynasty" expectations. I don''t know if WWD will be able to make decorating quite as in depth as MD, but who know, I am no dev. The ability to drop foods and items for added customisation is a big selling point in MD for me. BUT WWD allows for building and moving furniture around so who knows. IT may be great in time. I will obviously wait for some stuff like controller support to find out, but I WILL be looking into this game in the future

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