WHY NOT RENDER CUBE???

[SGTSylver]

I don't think I'm alone in that expectations were high for this game.

The announcements preceding the release of the game gave the impression this game was going to be a new release following Medieval Dynasty in a new series of titles. So that created an expectation that the same "feel", possibly using the same engine and art style, was going to be supporting this title too. So this did hurt my initial impression having something so vastly different but that isn't what caused the utter disappointment. The very first interaction with the game is this terrible 3rd person perspective and limited graphics and gameplay options that felt like a proof of concept. That along with the bugs in the first few minutes of the game were a sledge hammer of disappointment. I had to create and place a campfire 3 times before I could move past the cave scene and that is the first two minutes of the game. I didn't get much further sadly.

I have no expectation now that this game will be ever be good, I've seen too many Early Access titles at this same premature stage flounder and die because the EA funding they hoped for died with the reviews. This game is simply not ready for Early Access and wouldn't be for another 8 months minimum.

So I don't blame Moon Punch for this, it is obvious to me this falls with Toplitz and Matthius.

[TuppenceStick]

To answer the question of your title - because Render Cube are busy working on the coming updates for MD. They have nothing to do with WWD.

[SGTSylver]

Originally posted by TuppenceStick:

To answer the question of your title - because Render Cube are busy working on the coming updates for MD. They have nothing to do with WWD.

Clearly they have nothing to do with WWD. Your statement of the obvious doesn't answer the question. Why aren't they leading this title? Your dribble that they are busy on MD is not informed nor accurate.

[TuppenceStick]

As a bughunter for MD I do have some idea what the devs at Render Cube are doing. But that is not a conversation for the WWD forum.

[Morri]

Originally posted by SGTSylver:

Clearly they have nothing to do with WWD. Your statement of the obvious doesn't answer the question. Why aren't they leading this title? Your dribble that they are busy on MD is not informed nor accurate.

Why would they lead this title? It's a completely different company. It's like asking why the Renault Megane wasn't manufactured by Audi instead of Renault.

TuppenceStick isn't wrong. RenderCube has their own game they are currently working on; which is Medieval Dynasty which has some big updates coming this year.

[🎮AliveSince1961🎮]

The idea of another developer is that it should not be a copy of Render Cube. For me, it is too early to criticize their work because it is not finished.

For what I've seen on their videos, they have a different approach and that's good. I like the different management and the connections between the settlements. Time will tell if this is a really bad game or a future gem.

[SGTSylver]

Originally posted by 🎮AliveSince1961🎮:

The idea of another developer is that it should not be a copy of Render Cube. For me, it is too early to criticize their work because it is not finished.

For what I've seen on their videos, they have a different approach and that's good. I like the different management and the connections between the settlements. Time will tell if this is a really bad game or a future gem.

It is not too early to criticize the game when it is released to early access. That is exactly what you are supposed to do with an EA title. If it gets released too early then it will get killed in reviews and any new market potential is killed along with it. The publisher has now killed a potential franchise.

[SGTSylver]

Originally posted by Morri:

Originally posted by SGTSylver:

Clearly they have nothing to do with WWD. Your statement of the obvious doesn't answer the question. Why aren't they leading this title? Your dribble that they are busy on MD is not informed nor accurate.

Why would they lead this title? It's a completely different company. It's like asking why the Renault Megane wasn't manufactured by Audi instead of Renault.

TuppenceStick isn't wrong. RenderCube has their own game they are currently working on; which is Medieval Dynasty which has some big updates coming this year.

They lead this title because of the "franchise" effect of a series of games. When you deviate too far from a core game of a franchise you kill the entire franchise. This had franchise potential and was just murdered along with my hopes for the title.

[Morri]

Originally posted by SGTSylver:

They lead this title because of the "franchise" effect of a series of games. When you deviate too far from a core game of a franchise you kill the entire franchise. This had franchise potential and was just murdered along with my hopes for the title.

That may be, but Render Cube has nothing to do with that. They only made one game in the 'franchise'. There are more, and most made by different dev companies. MD is just the latest one (and most successful one). Render Cube has no say over other titles the publisher wishes to publish (and by whom).

The publisher will also release Sengoku and Pirate Dynasty this year and since
Render Cube is a small dev company, they would simply not have the manpower to create all these games simultaneously AND continue work on Medieval Dynasty. xD

So therefore it's a different dev studio.

A pity, but still an answer to your original question.

Did the publisher shoot themselves in the foot with this EA release? It definitely appears so right now. But I personally think that once the intial buzz dies down, and the game gets continued being worked on and improved, that people will forget this very quickly.
And if Sengoku (which will be next) is a success even quicker.

Time will tell.

[SGTSylver]

Originally posted by Morri:

Originally posted by SGTSylver:

They lead this title because of the "franchise" effect of a series of games. When you deviate too far from a core game of a franchise you kill the entire franchise. This had franchise potential and was just murdered along with my hopes for the title.

That may be, but Render Cube has nothing to do with that. They only made one game in the 'franchise'. There are more, and most made by different dev companies. MD is just the latest one (and most successful one). Render Cube has no say over other titles the publisher wishes to publish (and by whom).

The publisher will also release Sengoku and Pirate Dynasty this year and since
Render Cube is a small dev company, they would simply not have the manpower to create all these games simultaneously AND continue work on Medieval Dynasty. xD

So therefore it's a different dev studio.

A pity, but still an answer to your original question.

Did the publisher shoot themselves in the foot with this EA release? It appears so right now. But I personally think that once the intial buzz dies down, and the game gets continued being worked on and improved, that people will forget this very quickly.
And if Sengoku (which will be next) is a success even quicker.

Time will tell.

I understand your points but I'm just asking what you touch on at the end. I'm not being critical of Render Cube as to why they are not involved. I'm being critical of the publisher for not involving them, or not waiting to involve them, or not pushing them to expand to tackle more. There could be a multitude of reasons as to why Render Cube is not involved, could be some that left the publisher with no choice but to go ahead with someone else. Regardless, I asked the question as I think it is important to understanding the diversion. All the other "dynasty" games to date, aside from MD, are just not good, or good enough. MD gave them a franchise opportunity and it just is a disappointment to see it not develop further.

[Pepe_Le_Pede]

I personally would have been ok with a MD feel. I kind of expected it tbh, at least close enough. This game certainly does feel like a proof of concept. I guess I've been playing far too much MoE that when I logged into WWD... it felt really clunky and retarded.

I would have loved a MoE concept done in a literal wild west theme.

This fails imho so far. Wait and see. I'm not going to hold my breath.

Outlaws of the Old West was better than this...

[oldlady_gamer]

Originally posted by SGTSylver:

Originally posted by Morri:

I'm not being critical of Render Cube as to why they are not involved. I'm being critical of the publisher for not involving them, or not waiting to involve them, or not pushing them to expand to tackle more. There could be a multitude of reasons as to why Render Cube is not involved, could be some that left the publisher with no choice but to go ahead with someone else. Regardless, I asked the question as I think it is important to understanding the diversion. All the other "dynasty" games to date, aside from MD, are just not good, or good enough. MD gave them a franchise opportunity and it just is a disappointment to see it not develop further.

Render Cube was never involved with WWD in any way. That's like asking why didn't one author work on another author's book if they're both put out by the same publisher? Render Cube has never had anything to do with WWD and probably has no idea about the studio developing WWD or about anyone who works there. You seem to be thinking that just because the game has "Dynasty" in the name that it's made by the same development company, it's not. It's published by the same PUBLISHER but as in books, it's not the same author.

[Rakar]

What engine is used? I read in an article a few months ago the graphics would be like RDR 2.

[Nessa Revane]

Originally posted by Rakar:

What engine is used? I read in an article a few months ago the graphics would be like RDR 2.

When u Start the Game u see wich Engine is used ..... UNITY

[dobrt]

Why didn't Stephan King write the "Game of Thrown's".....it's would have been so much better.....especially the ending.....

[Morri]

Originally posted by SGTSylver:

I'm being critical of the publisher for not involving them, or not waiting to involve them, or not pushing them to expand to tackle more.

There could be contractual reasons ofc, but I think it's just because of timing. It seems the publisher wants to push out a lot of titles this year and doesn't want to wait til Render Cube is available again. A gamble that didn't pay off that well with this game it seems.
Or maybe they just didn't want to put all their eggs in one basket and therefore prefer to work with multiple dev companies, which also isn't a bad thing perse.
Either way, I hope things improve for this game. For Moon Punch studio as well it must be really disheartening to see all the negative feedback, so I hope they manage to keep their chin up and tackle the issues.

I personally am looking forward to what other games Render Cube will release as they have definitely proven themselves. But at the same time I hope they don't yet, because I would like them to put more love into MD :-)