Mass effect 2 mattock vs vindicator

[ProxyJames]

So I have heard and red conflicting reports about witch of these two weapons are better, I have used both and I do like the mattock and it looks and feels like it deals more damage, sadly without a firing range (like they added in mass effect 3) I can't really compare the two side by side

[Canadian Ninja]

I love the Mattock so much more. I really like the Vindicator and it's usually the rifle I use before the Mattock but it just doesn't compare for me. It feels like it hits harder and thanks to it firing as fast as you can click the mouse it puts out a stupid amount of DPS

[ProxyJames]

I just got though hunting and watching alot of videos and I have com to a conclusion
so on the wiki the vindicator is listed as doing 36.8 damager per show with a damage mod of 1.25 on shields barriers and armor with a max ammo count of like 105
the mattock is listed as 50.4 damage per shot with a modifier of 1.3 on armor and 1.2 on shields and barriers with a max ammo count of 70

So ON PAPER the vindicator should do more damage because of its 3 round burst BUT it doesn't. I tried using it on a mission and I was always looking for ammo and it took 2-3 bursts to kill the random guys. so on shields and barriers the vindicator may be SLIGHTLY better but at the end of the day barriers and shields are easily dealt with and I rather do more damage to armor and HP

[Guydodge]

Mattock and a sniper rifle is all you need for the entire game

[Harag]

Guydodge eredeti hozzászólása:

Mattock and a sniper rifle is all you need for the entire game

Which sniper rifle do you suggest?

[ProxyJames]

Harag eredeti hozzászólása:

Guydodge eredeti hozzászólása:

Mattock and a sniper rifle is all you need for the entire game

Which sniper rifle do you suggest?

well most of the sniper rifles in this game....kind of suck.
mantis: the one you start with, 263 base damage 1.5x damage on armor 1.0x on Shields/barriers, 1 round mag 9 rounds spare VERY slow rate of fire

viper: 81.9 base damage, 1.35x damage on armor 1.15x damage on shields/barrier, 12 round mag, 48 spare rounds, high rate of fire

incisor: 53.6 base damage 1.25x damage across the board 15 round mag, 30 spare rounds, fires in 3 round bursts, high rate of fire

widow: the god sniper, 368.3 damage, 1.5x damage on armor 1.0 on everything else, 1 round mag, 12 to spare

now as you can see one of them clearly stands out BUT you get this near the end of the game on the collector ship (you get the options of picking between one of 3 guns depending on class, you can pick from all 3, vanguard can pick only the shotgun witch is garbage and infiltrator also gets the god sniper) so I sugest is experimenting with the viper and incisor and pick the one that works best for you but once you get to the collector ♥♥♥♥ just forget the other two exist and only use the widow, if your using armor piercing ammo you stand a strong chance to pretty much one hit anything because the bigger targets typically have armor, shields and barriers go down pretty easy if you hanging out with party members that have anti shield/barrier skills or even just spamming bullets into there face. warp ammo is not worth it because its only 50% damage and you only get the big boost from targets that are lifted (doesn't work on targets that are warped or whatever, they have to be in the air) and as there are way more things without shields/barriers its not really worth it.

[The Presence]

Mattock.

[Canadian Ninja]

Mantis -> Viper -> Widow in ME2, then Mantis -> Viper - /OR/ > Black Widow -> Widow in ME3

[ProxyJames]

Canadian Ninja eredeti hozzászólása:

Mantis -> Viper -> Widow in ME2, then Mantis -> Viper - /OR/ > Black Widow -> Widow in ME3

no viper is garbage, kind of the same boat as the vindicator where on paper its good but I have played this game ALOT when it first came out I ended up using exclusively the mantis, getting to the collector ship and grabbing the assault rifle like a goober, regretting it when it had all the accuracy of a duckfoot pistol (google it for a laugh, this is a real weapon people tried to use lol, tried being the keyword) reloading the save and grabbing the widow. then when the DLC came out trying out the incisor and it preformed much better than the other two rifles so I stuck with it

[Harag]

@ProxyJames thanks for the detailed replies :)

[ProxyJames]

I like detailed info, but also I know sometimes things don't work the same way on paper as they do in practice.
like lets look at the viper vs the incisor
on paper the viper is better and does have higher DPS BUT it can't really kill anything with a single hit and it kind of has the same role as the mattock, thats why I have a prefence for the mantis and incisor, it can one shot most weaker enemies and has a large ammo pool

[Kel'Ithra]

Tend to always use the Mattock one I get it, just tend to dislike the other AR's.
Sniper I always use the widow the moment it's available it'll one-two shot almost everything In ME3 it's even more deadlier. Dislike most of the other snipers so mostly just use whatever seems to work until the Widow can be acquired.

Kind of like the SMG's all of them are horrible, just the Locust stands out and it's foudn during a loyalty mission. The only weapon that has decent selections is the heavy pistols at least for me.

But Mattock all the way.

[ProxyJames]

small update
messing around with guns the mattock is 100% the best rifle when compared directly to other weapons in its class, its high per shot damage and fire rate allows it to easily outclass every other rifle, down the line once upgraded it also becomes nearly pin point accurate
for sniper rifles at first glance I though it would be the incisor but was surprised, it looks like some changes were made and it now has very high DPS, even outdoing the widow, while widow will still one shot almost any basic enemies its extremely low rate of fire means it will take much longer to kill larger enemies, if your playing a infiltrator the widow is hands down the best HOWEVER for solider I think the viper will out do the widow because of how broken OP adrenaline rush is. for soldier you can only get ONE shot off with the widow with the rush active, however the video can pretty much dump most of the mag into one things head dealing slightly more damage than the widow. so if your a solider all the weapons you can pick from on the collector ship are just hot garbage lol