the fact there's people who *like* jacob is 'kinda insane to me.

[bayomaycry]

are some of y'all just attracted to bad writing

[TamTroll]

all i know is he's the bro who helped keep me alive in the opening segment of the game, and for that i respect him.

That said, he DOES have uncomfortably large teeth.

[bayomaycry]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

all i know is he's the bro who helped keep me alive in the opening segment of the game, and for that i respect him.

That said, he DOES have uncomfortably large teeth.

he wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't a companion, actually. the more i spend time w/ him the more i hate him.

[Seath]

He's... alright.
Doesn't really spark any emotions.

[Chungo Beepis]

yeah he's pretty irritating, he's a bit too hard assed, I mean you'd think Jack / Zaeed would be that but they're not, they have emotions and they express them, Jacob is just flat. I felt the same way about the ex cop in Andromeda, just not enough camber in his personality to be interesting.

[Chungo Beepis]

Though that was helpful when rounding up his dad, i didn't have to have some pointless discussion about forgiving his sins or something, that'd be instant renegade everybody dies.

[Cass]

The most egregious part of Jacob's writing is that he tell you about this black-ops group called the Corsairs, says he was involved, and then it's never mentioned again.

[Coffee Addict]

he's a character like any other i dont like nor dislike him

[N7_Shadow]

Originally posted by Cass:

The most egregious part of Jacob's writing is that he tell you about this black-ops group called the Corsairs, says he was involved, and then it's never mentioned again.

We actually agree on something.

I didn't dislike him. Mostly, I liked him. I just wish him and Shepard could have had more time sitting down, just talking over a beer, telling war stories, like you would expect two veteran soldiers to do. In ME3 we learn that the entire crew was hand selected to be people Shepard would be more likely to trust. A lot of them prior Alliance military. So yes, it would have been better had they leaned into that more. Frankly, I wish his loyalty mission had something to do with the Corsairs, instead of the creepy dad mission. It's clear that somebody at BioWare had daddy issues.

Even Miranda's parent shouldn't have been a man. It should have been a woman. Everything we heard about the motivations of the parent suggested an extreme amount of hubris/narcissism. Literally a megalomaniac. The parent would have been making a perfected version of themselves, thus a mother would have created daughters, and a father would have created sons. But daddy issues won out.



Some didn't like that Jacob was always wrong, but that was done to make Miranda look more competent. Somebody had to suggest the wrong thing, so she could overrule him, and then suggest the better way/right thing. This was established from the very beginning when she tells Jacob, "I thought you would have learned by now. I'm never wrong."

I liked when Jacob said they would "spill some drinks on the Citadel." It was a Bro moment. We needed more of that.

I also think his fighting prowess should have been better. Too many of the characters suffered from being bland companions for missions. Ashley, Kaidan and James Vega are all like this, for the most part. Jacob was just worst, because we don't do enough talking about just him, who he really is and where he comes from. The Corsairs is as deep as we go.

[lPaladinl]

His loyalty mission is possibly one of the worst written plots of the entire Mass Effect trilogy.

[teires]

Jacob might be the only charakter in ME that doesn't need Shepard.
He is already completly fleshed out, has a good own jugdement and morals.
Everyone else benefits in their development from the player.
The player teaches them what is wrong and what is right.
But Jacob is almost equal to Shepard.
ME3 changes that a little bit because he needs Shepard to safe the scientists.
The only other charakter that comes close to that is Kaidan.
So he is a better person than most of the players.
You could almost say Jacob is teaching the player.
And that might be the reason he gets so much dislike.
Many people need dependecy as basis to get a connection to someone.

[barzai]

Originally posted by teires:

Jacob might be the only charakter in ME that doesn't need Shepard.
He is already completly fleshed out, has a good own jugdement and morals.
Everyone else benefits in their development from the player.
The player teaches them what is wrong and what is right.
But Jacob is almost equal to Shepard.
ME3 changes that a little bit because he needs Shepard to safe the scientists.
The only other charakter that comes close to that is Kaidan.
So he is a better person than most of the players.
You could almost say Jacob is teaching the player.
And that might be the reason he gets so much dislike.
Many people need dependecy as basis to get a connection to someone.

Interesting bit of pop psychology. Too bad it's basically fiction.

I suppose it's possible to be "taught" by the characters if you are not a fully-formed adult, but--alas for your theory--I was already in my 40s by the time I came to Mass Effect, and I'd managed to become a fully-formed adult well before that, when I was still in my 20s.

I don't dislike either Jacob or Kaiden because they're "better" than I am. I dislike them because they're boring.

[teires]

Originally posted by barzai:

Interesting bit of pop psychology. Too bad it's basically fiction.

I suppose it's possible to be "taught" by the characters if you are not a fully-formed adult, but--alas for your theory--I was already in my 40s by the time I came to Mass Effect, and I'd managed to become a fully-formed adult well before that, when I was still in my 20s.

I don't dislike either Jacob or Kaiden because they're "better" than I am. I dislike them because they're boring.

So you are saying wisdom is a matter of age? And you think you can't be thaught anymore because of that?
Then you have a complete different understanding of the world or the meaing of beeing an adult than I do.

It is so rarely to meet a wise old person. Wisdom usually is within young people.
It is so damn difficult to stay "wise" while becoming older.

I think who you like and who not shows what you value in a person.
Everyone besides Jacob and Kaidan is looking up to Shepard.
You are the maincharakter to them. You determine their path and their fate.
Is that what makes them more exciting?
You don't need to understand what is going on in their head because you write their story.
Is mostly about your heroism and how you are respected.

I tink the only thing Jacob's tale lacks of are buddy talks instead of more heroism.

And a good story benefits from boring charakters as much as from exciting ones.
The balance is important ofcourse.

[Insane fox]

i know the voice actor from skyrim. he had several roles there, like some random npc´s.
that´s what he is in this game for me. a random useless npc with that known voice.

[Cass]

Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

We actually agree on something.

From what I've seen, we agree on most things outside of culture war nonsense.

[LMB_123_space]

Originally posted by teires:

Jacob might be the only charakter in ME that doesn't need Shepard.
He is already completly fleshed out, has a good own jugdement and morals.
Everyone else benefits in their development from the player.
The player teaches them what is wrong and what is right.
But Jacob is almost equal to Shepard.
ME3 changes that a little bit because he needs Shepard to safe the scientists.
The only other charakter that comes close to that is Kaidan.
So he is a better person than most of the players.
You could almost say Jacob is teaching the player.
And that might be the reason he gets so much dislike.
Many people need dependecy as basis to get a connection to someone.

So, if you romance Jacob in ME2, he has moved on in ME3. I think that's a valuable lesson then.
All those things you mention sound good on paper, but in game it's just a boring character with little to no explanation given why he thinks like he does. 'Space it' when talking about Legion is a good example how he sees the world. Not a single thought given (at least not shown to the player) about the value a Geth could bring.
I have never, ever seen this game as a guideline to real life by the way, not even close to it. For me it's just a fantasy world which I enjoy, it's realy well build and written, but it doesn't come close to real life imo. Jacob is just a character in that world I dislike. Usually do his loyalty mission as soon as possible and then forget he is on the ship :-)