90% Discount? Still NO!

[Henry]

As riddled with EULA malware and forced subscriptions and launchers as this is, I would not "buy" it if you offered to pay me the full price.

[barzai]

How truly good for you.

Now if you're done parading your virtue, the rest of us can get back to discussing a game we love despite all that.

[Henry]

Originally posted by barzai:

How truly good for you.

Now if you're done parading your virtue, the rest of us can get back to discussing a game we love despite all that.

Go right ahead, I'd rather you guys demand they remove that ♥♥♥♥.

[Septimus-Prime]

Kk

[Sm0k3f47h3r]

Originally posted by Henry:

As riddled with EULA malware and forced subscriptions and launchers as this is, I would not "buy" it if you offered to pay me the full price.

+1

[Sm0k3f47h3r]

Originally posted by Henry:

Originally posted by barzai:

How truly good for you.

Now if you're done parading your virtue, the rest of us can get back to discussing a game we love despite all that.

Go right ahead, I'd rather you guys demand they remove that ♥♥♥♥.

+1

[Sedgendary]

Originally posted by Henry:

As riddled with EULA malware and forced subscriptions and launchers as this is, I would not "buy" it if you offered to pay me the full price.

every software you have ever used has had a EULA, and there are no "forced subscriptions" in this game or any subscriptions at all. You can be mad about the way they advertise EA Play and that they force their own launcher all you want but stop adding in things that don't exist

[Henry]

Originally posted by Sedgendary:

Originally posted by Henry:

As riddled with EULA malware and forced subscriptions and launchers as this is, I would not "buy" it if you offered to pay me the full price.

every software you have ever used has had a EULA, and there are no "forced subscriptions" in this game or any subscriptions at all. You can be mad about the way they advertise EA Play and that they force their own launcher all you want but stop adding in things that don't exist

So the Steam-store page information on the right is untrue or misleading?

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: EA on-line activation and Origin client software installation and background use required.
Requires 3rd-Party Account: EA Account 
Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition EULA
EA Play subscription requires acceptance of
EA Play Terms

I buy games that don't have such warnings attached to them and this one has the most I've seen attached to one title.

[Sedgendary]

Originally posted by Henry:

Originally posted by Sedgendary:

every software you have ever used has had a EULA, and there are no "forced subscriptions" in this game or any subscriptions at all. You can be mad about the way they advertise EA Play and that they force their own launcher all you want but stop adding in things that don't exist

So the Steam-store page information on the right is untrue or misleading?

That says:

• it has a 3rd party DRM which is the launcher
  
• you are required to have an EA Account which is because of the launcher,
  
• it has a 3rd party EULA because it has things that are not part of Steams EULA
  
• it is part of EA Play which you can subscribe to through Steam
  
  
  again every software you have ever used has a EULA, Steam notifies you if the EULA for the game includes things outside of theirs which you have agreed to already. The EA Play notification is there because the game is part of the subscription so if you have the subscription on Steam then you can play without purchasing

[Cool Cereal]

Where is the malware and subscription? I’ve had this game for years and have yet to see either.

[Sedgendary]

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

Where is the malware and subscription? I’ve had this game for years and have yet to see either.

the guy clearly doesn't know what an End User Licence Agreement is as he called it malware and saw the informational notice about it being part of the EA Play subscription and assumes it requires being subscribed

[Henry]

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

Where is the malware and subscription? I’ve had this game for years and have yet to see either.

Originally posted by Sedgendary:

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

Where is the malware and subscription? I’ve had this game for years and have yet to see either.

the guy clearly doesn't know what an End User Licence Agreement is as he called it malware and saw the informational notice about it being part of the EA Play subscription and assumes it requires being subscribed

I'm pretty sure they will allow themselves to your data with all these Eulas and pass it around wherever they like that's malware to me, pretty much the same goes for EA Play and an EA account. Mandatory data theft.

It literally says subscribe at point 4 and yes, making an account is a subscription.

[LunarisRuin]

[Sedgendary]

Originally posted by Henry:

Originally posted by Cool Cereal:

Where is the malware and subscription? I’ve had this game for years and have yet to see either.

Originally posted by Sedgendary:

the guy clearly doesn't know what an End User Licence Agreement is as he called it malware and saw the informational notice about it being part of the EA Play subscription and assumes it requires being subscribed

I'm pretty sure they will allow themselves to your data with all these Eulas and pass it around wherever they like that's malware to me, pretty much the same goes for EA Play and an EA account. Mandatory data theft.

It literally says subscribe at point 4 and yes, making an account is a subscription.

No a EULA is a document that describes what rights you have as part of the licence you purchased and includes information on what information is collected and who they share it with.

A subscription requires you to pay for access for a specific period of time at which point you pay again for lose access to the content so no creating an account is not a subscription.

[Henry]

Originally posted by Sedgendary:

Originally posted by Henry:

I'm pretty sure they will allow themselves to your data with all these Eulas and pass it around wherever they like that's malware to me, pretty much the same goes for EA Play and an EA account. Mandatory data theft.

It literally says subscribe at point 4 and yes, making an account is a subscription.

No a EULA is a document that describes what rights you have as part of the licence you purchased and includes information on what information is collected and who they share it with.

A subscription requires you to pay for access for a specific period of time at which point you pay again for lose access to the content so no creating an account is not a subscription.

What do you mean no? "and includes information on what information is collected and who they share it with" you wrote this. And again no, the word subscription has more meanings than that. When youtubers ask you to like and subscribe they don't mean an monthly fee. Plus again, "it is part of EA Play which you can subscribe to through Steam". The word Subscribe is in this sentence.

Anyway, what's the argument? You guys know that these are anti consumer practices, you know EA is an awful and exploitative company, you know secondary launchers and accounts are forced on you while you don't need or want them, you know them trading with your private information is bad for you. What? Are we just gonna pretend this is fine?

If I'm saying I'm not buying the game under these conditions I speak with my wallet and as you guys can see, on these kinds of companies it's the only thing that works. I want to play Mass Effect again but not under these conditions and you making it look like I'm the one who desn't get it doesn't help. I get it, you get it too.

[Sedgendary]

Originally posted by Henry:

Originally posted by Sedgendary:

No a EULA is a document that describes what rights you have as part of the licence you purchased and includes information on what information is collected and who they share it with.

A subscription requires you to pay for access for a specific period of time at which point you pay again for lose access to the content so no creating an account is not a subscription.

What do you mean no? "and includes information on what information is collected and who they share it with" you wrote this. And again no, the word subscription has more meanings than that. When youtubers ask you to like and subscribe they don't mean an monthly fee. Plus again, "it is part of EA Play which you can subscribe to through Steam". The word Subscribe is in this sentence.

I said no because it isn't what gives them the right to track data on you that is government regulation that does that. Every software collects information on how you use it today and the EULA describes what is being done.

YouTube uses subscribe in a different context and when they added in paid subscriptions to channels they had to call it "Join" instead which is why every other social media site uses "Follow" instead of subscribe.

The EA Play informational is there because you can subscribe to EA Play instead of purchasing the game it isn't required to play the game