(Spoilers) About ME3 ending

[TF 141]

(Just wanna share my ending and thought):
Hello, everyone! I just finished the whole series few minutes ago.

In the end, I chose Green Ending.
Although I want Shepard to be alive, but just like the Catalyst said, if only destroy the Reaper. It won't change anything.
And I thought: Even if Shepard knows he/she gonna survive in Red ending, He/She still would decide to sacrifice him/herself to save everyone he/she love. (Like EDI)

Also considered about Leviathan, they said that they used to controlled the "inferior races" like Human until they created the Reaper.
I thought that if I chose Red ending, after Leviathan find out Reaper got destroyed. They would show up and conquer the galaxy again.

Final, I felt great that Joker and EDI could have an happy ending in Green end.

Which ending did you chose and how do you thinking. Please share with me.
Thank you so much!

[Kindred Spirit]

Първоначално публикувано от S'bass thulu:

Първоначално публикувано от Chief Redpill:

It isn't EDI so much that makes it so tragic.

It is the surviving and destroyed Joker...

Like they always say, never love cause you might lose, everyone will always be better than you, and when the going gets hard, fold like a chair.

They have a good honest run.

Yes, but after that, then what?

This isn't some casual love story. This one is specifically aimed towards disabled of both natural condition and veterans, and what we struggle with both ourselves and for each other. Those who know veterans who are missing parts or bedridden know how badly it wears on them, with the latter already having increased suicide risk. Joker's humor is an obvious way for him to deal with that pain.

Joker goes through life with his disability and hits the impossible odds by finding a job that perfectly suits him. Sure, but then it leaves him a bit lonely despite his newfound freedom. Then, he finds the impossible again, a being that perfectly compliments him in every way to be his other half in newfound body and soul.

Then...

Those who know... know you probably killed Joker, too. And had Joker pull that trigger.

This is both the necessary evil and what is supposed to make it difficult to Destroy.

[Black Hole]

I choose the blue ending these days.

[S'bass thulu]

Първоначално публикувано от Chief Redpill:

Those who know... know you probably killed Joker, too. And had Joker pull that trigger.

This is both the necessary evil and what is supposed to make it difficult to Destroy.

I've never killed joker. I don't talk about my real life here. Respect to finding that next step when your lungs feel like wet wool/cotton and worse. Breathe through now. Then the next. That's what we get in between everything else. Good luck brother.

[Kindred Spirit]

Първоначално публикувано от S'bass thulu:

Първоначално публикувано от Chief Redpill:

Those who know... know you probably killed Joker, too. And had Joker pull that trigger.

This is both the necessary evil and what is supposed to make it difficult to Destroy.

I've never killed joker. I don't talk about my real life here. Respect to finding that next step when your lungs feel like wet wool/cotton and worse. Breathe through now. Then the next. That's what we get in between everything else. Good luck brother.

WHOOOOOSH

And probably for the better that you may never have to understand it.

[S'bass thulu]

journal. Or find some group that fits for you in real life. Even if that group is just you. Lessons of empathy. Don't assume.

Any who, synthesis is still my real pick.

[Kindred Spirit]

Първоначално публикувано от S'bass thulu:

journal. Or find some group that fits for you in real life. Even if that group is just you. Lessons of empathy. Don't assume.

Any who, synthesis is still my real pick.

You may cease your hollow platitudes, You may also continue to be so blessedly naive in your life that you do not have to understand the themes. The difference between civvy/green soldier is that they just look at the sacrifice, while the leader/veteran have to live with the survivors. I can't spell it out any more than that without verbatim telling you what the theme is, and you'll probably have the hubris to tell me what I should do about that as well.

[S'bass thulu]

Първоначално публикувано от Chief Redpill:

A corner where anything but destroying the self-prophesized fail cycle in whole or in part is a wrong answer that leaves humanity subjects of an alien species.

Crucible says in the text explaining the options that synthesis also means the cycles end. However they end it ends. And for my and others read of it all, the destroy option doesn't mean anything because leviathan could still come back and mess stuff up being organic whenever it gets bored and wants more pop tarts for tribute. Synthesis ends the cycle. Agency, being in control of our actions, what makes folks feel unique and special is a lot more muddy than most are comfortable talking about.

Some folks say it's all a deterministic universe. In the game or real life, everything was meant to be what it is and the actions follow suit of what they were meant to be... whether the return helps or hinders our goals.

Some say we are always true agents at every point. But mob mentality, and so many other hick ups in habit loops and reactive survivalism (like pulling the right trigger to stop IM from shooting Anderson) speak against that.

I've said for most my life that the power of agency (in game as synthesized species for example) is that we can be shown we don't have agency, we can understand and believe we don't have agency, we can teach we don't have agency, and in that moment where we understand and teach that we don't have it, we can still choose to act. Otherwise we wouldn't have complex stuff like interstates, concrete, power grids, supply chain management... etc.

But we've still made, accepted and dedicated ourselves to all these terms and systems, then most forget we're the ones who made it all for our purpose here. Then we actively give ourselves over to the safety of routine. Other than games, my brain's never worked well in routine. I don't think synthesis in MELE means anything routine or mundane. I don't like that synthesis means every living thing must be involved vs having their own choice. Two options as far as the game goes can end the cycle though.

So... (hashtag)hubris I guess?

[Kindred Spirit]

Първоначално публикувано от S'bass thulu:

Първоначално публикувано от Chief Redpill:

A corner where anything but destroying the self-prophesized fail cycle in whole or in part is a wrong answer that leaves humanity subjects of an alien species.

Crucible says in the text explaining the options that synthesis also means the cycles end. However they end it ends. And for my and others read of it all the destroy option doesn't mean anything because leviathan could still come back and mess stuff up being organic whenever it gets bored and wants more pop tarts for tribute. Synthesis ends the cycle. Agency, being in control of our actions, what makes folks feel unique and special is a lot more muddy than most are comfortable talking about.

The cycle ends because you willingly accepted the Faustian Bargain to become Reaper 2.0. It begins again when another organic species rises to anger your new masters.

Destroy both removes the master's yoke AND gives organics another chance to develop AI - as the Refute Ending also shows organics and AI living together but RIP organics of our cycle. But it has a steep sacrifice, of many levels.

Therefore, the only option to free organics and humanity is to willingly make a sacrifice in order for another chance to do it right.

Some folks say it's all a deterministic universe. In the game or real life, everything was meant to be what it is and the actions follow suit of what they were meant to be... whether the return helps or hinders our goals.

Some say we are always true agents at every point. But mob mentality, and so many other hick ups in habit loops and reactive survivalism speak against that.

I've said for most my life that the power of agency (in game as synthesized species for example) is that we can be shown we don't have agency, we can understand and believe we don't have agency, we can teach we don't have agency, and in that moment where we understand and teach that we don't have it, we can still choose to act. Otherwise we wouldn't have complex stuff like interstates, concrete, power grids, supply chain management... etc.

Sublimation of will for the illusion of agency, chosen on impetus to avoid hostility is exactly the question of die on your feet or live on your knees. As you become Reaper 2.0, it looks more like dying in the future on your knees against whatever the Leviathans hate next.

You have willingly become the orcs of Sauron.

But we've still made, accepted and dedicated ourselves to all these terms and systems, then most forget we're the ones who made it all for our purpose here. Then we actively give ourselves over to the safety of routine. Other than games, my brain's never worked well in routine. I don't think synthesis in MELE means anything routine or mundane. I don't like that synthesis means every living thing must be involved vs having their own choice. Two options as far as the game goes can end the cycle though.

So... (hashtag)hubris I guess?

If I was on death row and given a last meal I'd choose the warden.

If I was a slave who kept being punished every time I kept making tools that destroyed myself and others, I would choose to both destroy the tools and slaver's whip, then do the whole AI thing again with what was learned, and do it right, and have a fighting chance.

But I dunno. That seems very... human.

[S'bass thulu]

Not gonna quote at you. The last bit you said about deciding how we all have a fighting chance is what makes MELE a decent enough game. Well said.

To the rest... We agree, end the Reapers. Maybe if we had a 100 more options of nuance we could reach a common ground on the rest. Good to talk to anyone who knows their view and stands behind it.

[S'bass thulu]

Първоначално публикувано от Megatron:

I choose the blue ending these days.

Always good to have options.

[Central]

i always pick synthesis / green
as horrible as the reapers are, they are also the final legacy of the cycles before, they have all knowledge of the cultures that came before.

i destroyed them once, and felt really bad after the fact, it felt as if i committed genocide on all the races that the reapers represented, even if it was in their own twisted way. so destroying them is a no go for me.

doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is madness. the situation between organics and machines always escalates. it happened before the cycles, which is why they where created in the first place, and it happened during those cycles, it will happen again. by controlling them you do preserve their knowledge, but in the end you fix nothing.

by picking synthesis you equalise the playing field and end the cycle of destruction that existed before the reaper cycle, ending not 1 but 2 cycles of destruction at the same time.

[Black Hole]

They wrote it in a way where they all could be possibilities.

Having shepard survive as a super advanced ai, being able to keep the geth alive and edi and other races seems like a better option if you want everyone to stay alive, but with green I feel you are forcing a change kinda like brainwashing making everyone accept it whether they would want to or not seems like an evil thing to do, more so than being Reapers but with Shepards soul.

[KarlThorsten89]

I've in the original games only gone with Control. I can't bring myself to wipe out the Geth, EDI and other syntetics alongside the Reapers. Unless they slightly tweak the Destroy ending in ME5 so that they survive, Control is my only option.
Synthesis feels more like a betrayal. I understand the ending, but spending 3 games trying to stop and end the Reapers? No synthesis. No immortality for anyone in the easy way, no way.