What is the strongest class to play in 1, 2 and 3?

[HunteR]

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[Zsrai]

Origineel geplaatst door Superbia:

Vanguard is infinitely more boring, all you do is spam biotic charge + nova on cooldown. Personal preference has no place here, OP asked about objectively the strongest class. Try to stay on topic.

Please look up the definition of "objective", bud. You subjectively prefer holding down your left mouse button, but that doesn't mean it's objectively better.

[Kryzan]

Soldier makes ME:2 Insanity basically easy mode.
Adrenaline Rush with the Widow is all you need really.

[Jarsonne]

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Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

I could not have try it in ME3, a bit but preferred various other choices, and then probably not with companions.

For me and my MC higher damages is just superior, and for SMG Typhoon is hardly noticeable for that.

For companions higher damages tend be also more efficient in general and from my quotes. And even more because if they need manage clip size they don't need manage ammo.

Yeah, soldier companions with typhoon in ME3 is totally broken. They will beat insanity difficulty on their own. It's actually hilarious to watch it.

What's special past the barrier? It seems low damages, you can't move and shoot properly, and need shoot in cover to get a really usable weapon,

On paper a junk weapon for me.

[Jarsonne]

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Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

That's short, and it proves nothing. Soldiers companions are the weakest in the whole series, there's a reason.

EDIT:
Soldier is default class at least in ME1 just because its building is simpler to understand, not because it is more powerful.

Nothing you said makes any sense. Soldier is the best class, objectively. Companions don't matter,

Say companions don't matter when you can use their skills and they are then instant unlike when it's your skills, is just showing you need learn play the game.

[Jordddd]

Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

Origineel geplaatst door Superbia:

Soldier gets.

Adrenaline Rush
All ammo powers
All weapon proficiencies
Only class with heavy armor access (ME1)

That's short, and it proves nothing. Soldiers companions are the weakest in the whole series, there's a reason.

EDIT:
Soldier is default class at least in ME1 just because its building is simpler to understand, not because it is more powerful.

say that to typhoon garrus

[ositodefelpa]

Origineel geplaatst door Jordddd:

Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

That's short, and it proves nothing. Soldiers companions are the weakest in the whole series, there's a reason.

EDIT:
Soldier is default class at least in ME1 just because its building is simpler to understand, not because it is more powerful.

say that to typhoon garrus

Yeah, that statement was made by someone who never tried that combo. Add Vega with another Typhoon, and they will clear the map on their own, even on insanity.

[Zsrai]

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Origineel geplaatst door Jordddd:

say that to typhoon garrus

Yeah, that statement was made by someone who never tried that combo. Add Vega with another Typhoon, and they will clear the map on their own, even on insanity.

Or Ashley. She's better than James but worse than Garrus, AFAIK.

[Jarsonne]

I agree I didn't tried, I fail see the math justifying anything,

Here a dps chart for mass effect 3:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/um5l65/weapon_theoretical_dps_and_more_comparison_chart/#lightbox
Typhoon is junk, M11 Suppressor is third right behind AT13 Raider and Kishok.

And M11 Suppressor is pistol, and will hit mostly always so...

In my opinion you never tried much the M11 Suppressor, use it a bit feels instantly like cheating, do the same with Typhoon and at best it's meh, and this meh is aggravated by the requirement of cover and junk it is when moving.

[ositodefelpa]

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Origineel geplaatst door ositodefelpa:

Yeah, that statement was made by someone who never tried that combo. Add Vega with another Typhoon, and they will clear the map on their own, even on insanity.

Or Ashley. She's better than James but worse than Garrus, AFAIK.

Fair point, although she's not necessarily alive to do it ;-)

I always avoided Ashley, because she used to have a bug with her marksman ability. I'm not sure whether that was ever fixed.

[ositodefelpa]

Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

I agree I didn't tried, I fail see the math justifying anything,

Here a dps chart for mass effect 3:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/um5l65/weapon_theoretical_dps_and_more_comparison_chart/#lightbox
Typhoon is junk, M11 Suppressor is third right behind AT13 Raider and Kishok.

And M11 Suppressor is pistol, and will hit mostly always so...

In my opinion you never tried much the M11 Suppressor, use it a bit feels instantly like cheating, do the same with Typhoon and at best it's meh, and this meh is aggravated by the requirement of cover and junk it is when moving.

I don't think you have ever tried the Typhoon in ME3. It's a weapon that's useless for players (unless they have the skill to use it), but is game-breaking on companions. The statistics in the spreadsheet do not reflect what this weapon is capable of in the hands of a companion. I have done insanity missions where Brutes, Banshees etc are killed by companions before I have the chance to start on them myself. It's so good it feels like cheating.

[Crypto Gamer]

Squadmates deal different % dmg then Sherpard and have an AI so dps charts have no meaning.

We all know Typhonn Ascend to godhood Garrus meme who can almost solo instanity while you are a side charater.

[Jarsonne]

To be clear next time I play ME3 it's clear I'll try the typhoon

Origineel geplaatst door ositodefelpa:

Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

I agree I didn't tried, I fail see the math justifying anything,

Here a dps chart for mass effect 3:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/um5l65/weapon_theoretical_dps_and_more_comparison_chart/#lightbox
Typhoon is junk, M11 Suppressor is third right behind AT13 Raider and Kishok.

And M11 Suppressor is pistol, and will hit mostly always so...

In my opinion you never tried much the M11 Suppressor, use it a bit feels instantly like cheating, do the same with Typhoon and at best it's meh, and this meh is aggravated by the requirement of cover and junk it is when moving.

I don't think you have ever tried the Typhoon in ME3.

I tried it a bit with MC and thrown the junk but I wasn't playing a Soldier. And not once I suspected it could be special with companions because its stats are junk.

But otherwise it's right I ended not tried it with a soldier, but I don't think you tried the M11 Suppressor either, out of Citadel DLC.

Next time I play ME3 I'll try Typhoon with MC and soldier like companions.

[ositodefelpa]

Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

To be clear next time I play ME3 it's clear I'll try the typhoon

Origineel geplaatst door ositodefelpa:

I don't think you have ever tried the Typhoon in ME3.

Right but I don't think you tried the M11 Suppressor either, out of Citadel DLC.

Next time I play ME3 I'll try Typhoon with MC and soldier like companions.

I've played the Citadel dlc many times, so, yes, I have used the suppressor. It's pretty useless for me personally, because my aim is terrible. I usually rely mostly on powers for damage in ME3. One reason why the first part of Citadel dlc is really tough for me.

I admit I haven't tried M11 suppressor on companions. I will try it, but I doubt it will out-perform the Typhoon. The key thing about the Typhoon is the way the damage ramps up over 2-3 seconds. As a player, it's virtually possible to keep it pointing at the target, but companions have no problem with this, so they shred everything.

[Jarsonne]

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Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

To be clear next time I play ME3 it's clear I'll try the typhoon


Right but I don't think you tried the M11 Suppressor either, out of Citadel DLC.

Next time I play ME3 I'll try Typhoon with MC and soldier like companions.

I've played the Citadel dlc many times, so, yes, I have used the suppressor. It's pretty useless for me personally, because my aim is terrible. I usually rely mostly on powers for damage in ME3. One reason why the first part of Citadel dlc is really tough for me.

I admit I haven't tried M11 suppressor on companions. I will try it, but I doubt it will out-perform the Typhoon. The key thing about the Typhoon is the way the damage ramps up over 2-3 seconds. As a player, it's virtually possible to keep it pointing at the target, but companions have no problem with this, so they shred everything.

That ramp up is included in dps math, so your comment is still mysterious.

And I disagree that companions ignore stability and aiming, looks more like a bug with this weapon.

EDIT:
And for companions no I don't say I tried much the M11 Suppressor, only with MC. Comments for companions was that those soldiers like was weak but I didn't tried them with typhoon as it didn't felt good with MC and its stats don't show anything that good.

[ositodefelpa]

Origineel geplaatst door Jarsonne:

Origineel geplaatst door ositodefelpa:

I've played the Citadel dlc many times, so, yes, I have used the suppressor. It's pretty useless for me personally, because my aim is terrible. I usually rely mostly on powers for damage in ME3. One reason why the first part of Citadel dlc is really tough for me.

I admit I haven't tried M11 suppressor on companions. I will try it, but I doubt it will out-perform the Typhoon. The key thing about the Typhoon is the way the damage ramps up over 2-3 seconds. As a player, it's virtually possible to keep it pointing at the target, but companions have no problem with this, so they shred everything.

That ramp up is included in dps math, so your comment is still mysterious.

And I disagree that companions ignore stability and aiming, looks more like a bug with this weapon.

Unfortunately, I don't seem to have a save with the M11 suppressor, which suggests I haven't done the Citadel dlc since the MELE was released. That means I can't do a direct comparison right now. I did confirm that the Typhoon still works as I expected in MELE. I don't know whether it's a bug, but it certainly feels like it sometimes.