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As far as what's going on inside Joker's head...honestly, who cares? As is made clear in the conversations you have with Joker at the Citadel bar, the world could end tomorrow, grab it with both hands and take big bites.
But EDI's a serious prospective love interest: sure--she's got a rockin' bod, but she's also smart, and she's learned to be funny, and as time passes, she learns more and more to be human. I'd take that package even if it weren't presented in quite such a pulchritudinous way! :-)
As to the necrophiliac element, allow me to remind you that Shep's a zombie too. And likely far more so than EDI, since it's made clear from the tapes you find in the Horizon facility that she's an AI downloaded into a bodily construct. It's not entirely clear whether she's fully robotic, fully flesh--an android--or a mix of the two--a cyborg. But what is eminently clear from your interactions with her on Mars is that she's not just some human corpse Cerberus has brought back from the dead--unlike, say, Shep.
So if you're worried about making love to a "deceased body," maybe Shep's love-interests should be worried about that too, no?
As to the plot elements you mention--I agree. But I also think that if there ever was the intent to make such a part of the game, it must have wound up--like so much else--on the cutting-room floor.
In general, I don't think the writers in the 3rd game really grasped or explained the consequences of EDI's personhood, kinda feels like they just swept them all under the rug in the name of "synthetics are people too".
Yeah, I know, the entire galaxy is on the brink of extinction, let ppl enjoy themselves for one last time, yada yada.
I see your arguments, but I'm trying to get my head around your statement that " ... in many ways EDI is very young."
EDI's self-actualization comes as the prelude to the special, double-secret probation N7 mission Hackett gives you in ME1 to put down the "Rogue VI" on Luna. Then Cerberus somehow gets ahold of her software and turns it into EDI before installing her as an AI aboard the Normandy Mk.2.
Now I appreciate that's only been a couple years, but ... EDI's a machine. She thinks way faster than humans do, and can process stupidly large amounts of information. And she's interested in these weird fleshy things that keep asking her do do stuff for them, so she's been drinking at the information firehose for a while now. She's probably forgotten--metaphorically speaking--more about human beings than any of us know or are capable of knowing.
So I'd find it helpful if you could unpack your statement there.
Unrelated topic: Joker's not the first to "objectify" EDI. Traynor is. And she's doing it on the sole basis of EDI's voice and without realizing that EDI can understand every word. So if Joker's joking around about sex with EDI makes you uncomfortable, how do you feel about the stuff we discover Traynor's been saying to her since well before she got a body to go with her voice?
I didn’t mean young as in physically. More like emotionally. How she approaches human interaction, relationships, friendships, (potentially) romantic feelings etc. She always asks about human behavior, she needs a guidance who helps her understand humans and human relationships. She even asked Shepard about their personal and sexual life. The innocence of not knowing anything about love etc. and having to rely on Shepard to decide whether to make the move or not reminds me of the stereotypical high school chick who has to ask her BFF’s opinion to make a decision. And that’s why Joker x EDI doesn’t sit right w/ me.
In Traynor’s defense, at the time she said all those things she thought that EDI is just a VI. Still found it pretty cringe. But there's a difference between the 2 situations. Joker said ♥♥♥♥ like "sweet flexibility" while EDI was sitting there, knowing full well that she's a person now, and EDI even expressed her bing uncomfortable in that situation by saying "I'm sitting right here, Jeff" and then Joker says "yes, you are EDI, yes you are" ummmm okay? And even EDI wasn't offended by Traynor's words cuz she knows that Traynor thought that she was a VI.
Maybe, but I wish the devs would've written it differently instead of possessing someone's else body. Maybe have EDI talk to Shepard about idea of taking or creating a body for herself, have Shepard optionally agree and pursue said quest that has EDI create a robotic body of her own. Instead... it's necromantic possession that doesn't sit right with me because Eva Core was also sentient in some way. As for the romance, I think I would've approved more of it if Joker also expressed emotional feelings towards EDI other than "nice body". That feels like he is complementing Eva Core, not EDI herself or who she is, her inner self.
I didn't like EDI taking body at all because there were no consequences for this, this decision came out of nowhere and it was done in middle of a warzone on one of the Turian moons when the team would've expected EDI to be ready at any moment to give assistance like air support or what not, and Joker radio comms saying she went offline while taking control of Eva's body. And the revelation scene, I feel like the moment the body emerges from smoke the troops would either threaten to shoot or open fire immediately. But that's just the surface of talking about how ME3 became... more of a movie or a flick sometimes than actual Mass Effect game first game and second one were. For romance itself, I think you make a good point. I would've approved more of it if both partners felt emotional and soul connection to one another, but I think Joker seems to be more attracted to EDI's new body than to her which doesn't sit right with me as well. I think the romance should've been written more seriously and with two love partners actually expressing how they emotionally feel towards one another. The Citadel is probably the worst of ME3 because its so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MCUsque with its mustache twirling Shepard clone twin, every character flandarized and invited to the party and everyone just happened to be able to come in time for the party, then the dialogue Traynor tells about what she wants to do with EDI, Joker joking about EDI in mean way. I think the best part of the DLC, that I have to admit sadly ignored until now, was an alright homage to Thane and how he of all the companions attempted to contact Shepard three times and talk about himself, his son. I don't know what he says in the tapes if romanced, but its probably better than dialogue in that DLC. The Citadel DLC itself is a bit of a different subject though, so I apologize for slightly diverging from original topic.
Like, okay, I can see joker being horny enough to not care that he has brittle bones and she's got a metal exoskeleton...
But Edi is... She's got no sex drive, no pheremones or hormones pushing that along, she's a robot, why does she specify that she's hoping to have a sexual relationship???
Other than a few question marks like that, they get along well enough that I don't discourage them from hooking up.
I never really identified with Joker, but I could see few traits of him in me. However, always liked to identify with characters that weren't really close to me, kind of makes me wish to aspire higher than I am as one of the reasons why.
That's true but, as one of the users have pointed out, I think it's not the problem of who you romance, but why you do it. I think with Joker the devs should've written a more thought out romance for it to work more well, not just the jokes about EDI's body or the sex but actually how he feels towards her. What if Joker learnt that one of the ways to end Reaper war was to the Destroy ending and that meant loosing EDI, so he'd try to stop Shepard on the Citadel and instead try to get Synthesis ending or Control ending to be with EDI and now Shepard has to stop him. The stakes are even higher because its a comrade you knew for years who stands in your way now, Joker becomes more a character because now he has his own wishes, motivation and doesn't always stand with Shepard's every decision. When most of characters just agree with Shepard's decisions and never stand in his/her way they don't really become much of a characters, but rather... I don't know, followers? Yes, it's an army, but not every decision commander makes can sit well with the soldier. It's why Wrex' rebellion during the mission makes him more compelling character or why Kaidan/Ashley seem to be more of characters than others. They are more independent than most companions and they actually question certain decisions, choices or Shepard's sudden reappearance that can make them compelling.
That part irks me, too. Killing Shepard for the shock moment only to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ revive him/her few minutes later at the start of the game. What's worse is how in later games that thing is just... glossed over, nobody really gives a damn that Shepard came back and works for Cerberus besides Kaidan/Ashley, Garrus (giving some concerns), but the latter characters are scorned for this. Yeah, like how dare people question about their former commander's return from the dead after two years. The return from the dead should've had a much bigger impact and more serious conversations, not immediate acceptance of Shepard's sudden return to life after suffocating in space. And I think even GRRM said it best about resurrection, he hates characters coming back to life without any kind of character change or impact on them and/or others. As for EDI, Eva Core was a sentient being as well and we don't know if any part of her in that body was alive or not when it was taken aboard the ship. EDI just took that said body, we don't know if she killed Core's inner consciousness or not, but even if the body was fully it's certainly not okay to take possession of a body. It's like if Cole decided to possess Chancellor Roderick's body in DA:I, that would be vile and terrible. As I mentioned to Steve, I'd be more ok with the decision if EDI asked if she could create or make a body of her own and Shepard would support such decision, starting a side quest to create some robotic body for EDI. It would've been much better than the possession of Eva's body I'd say.
Hmm, you know that's a good question... and EDI's an AI, so I dunno how she is able to feel or know like a human about sexual relationship. I feel like it's something she'd probably be asking about and being unable to grasp it at first due to being AI and not a human, synths, androids like her for example would try to find logical sense in it rather than pleasuring at first. But maybe after taking a body she could've got those desires eventually and get to understand them, maybe. Sort of like when Curie takes control of a synth body and feels extremely different from time when she still had body of Mr/Ms Handy robot.
Take 2 phones, one with an SD card, one without.
Now remove the SD card from the phone that has it.
Put it in the other one.
Which one turned into a dead body?
The Rachni Queen however, briefly possesses a dead Asari commando after you defeat Benezia. EDI just connects a gynoid infiltration unit (robotic killing machine with feminine features, or if you've ever watched Austin Powers: a Fembot) to her own wifi network (with a local copy of core files in case of connection issues).
Eva wasn't deceased but deactivated. EDI's analysis of the body reactivated her backup power source and CPU which resulted in struggle, fire in AI core and some ship-wide system damage. Thankfully, EDI won (easy when you are made out of Reaper tech) and Eva was, for the lack of a better word, exorcised as the evil spirit she was.
That's kind of like asking how can you love someone who has two homes. You love the person(ality), not one of their homes (bodies).
Of course not -- after saving the Lunar VI which gained sentience on its own and managed to survive Shepard's attempt to shut it down even before it had access to more advanced stuff, the Cerberus took that VI and put their best Reaper code and tech into it. That's how EDI was "born".
TL;DR -- Eva didn't stand a chance.
It is an opportunity for a synthetic life form (an AI) to gain a unique insight into human behavior, moral code, and ethics, and grow as a person as a result. If you speak to her, she does grow as a character and even changes her programming to value Joker's life more than her own. By the end game even she says that Reapers are repugnant and have to be stopped at any cost and that she is ready to sacrifice herself for this ultimate goal.
What's not to like?