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Read carefully: I am not a "Shep fanboy" and I don't choose Destroy to save Shep. In fact I think it's a far better ending if Shep pays the last full measure. So your entire argument, which rests on bracketing me with people whose view I reject, is completely tone-deaf and just makes me laugh like a hyena.
As to the rest, everyone's preferences are their own, a fact I have made clear over and over again, regardless of your attempts to ignore it. You think Control is best, and evidently @Hahli believes that Synthesis is best for his own reasons as well. That's fine by me.
But neither your reasoning nor his convince me, just as my own reasoning--which, again, I've laid out in detail more than once, including earlier in this thread--does not convince you. That's fine too.
But the condescension and arrogance you exhibit in pooh-poohing anyone who disagrees with you are frankly breathtaking, and I wonder how well that attitude serves you in the rest of your life.
That is all.
If you had anything of use to say in defense of your absurd position as a Destroy fanboy, you would have done so by now, barzai. Instead, you prove once again that, however much you want to present yourself as a logical thinker and set yourself apart from them, you are just another one of the Destroy fanboys at the end of the day. Sad...
I am well familiar with the expression you cited about "mettre Paris en bouteille," inasmuch as I grew up speaking French among my family in Liege, Belgium. Please don't assume you know me when you comment.
As to the "what-if" dimension, obviously you are correct. But here's the thing: mutatis mutandis, your argument is similarly vulnerable to the weaknesses of your own planted axioms, as is the argument--if you can call it that-made by @Superbia.
I have laid out my own position in detail elsewhere in this thread as well as others, including my own planted axioms, which include the aspects of existence I value more highly than life. I'm not going to repeat all that here, you can look it up if you are actually interested in understanding my views.
My arguments are based on the evidence at hand we glean from the game--the lore--and what we call "right reason," which is to say a logical set of inferences one may reasonably take. Simply rejecting arguments as speculative isn't a counter-argument, it's an unsupported truth-claim.
Suffice it to say I find repugnant either the idea of either forcing everyone in the galaxy into a man-machine fusion--a solution, BTW, you've already rejected in ME1 when Saren argues for it; or the idea of subjugating the galaxy to the tender mercies of Shep-as-new-boss-Reaper--a solution that corresponds to The Illusive Man's objective, which--again--you've already rejected--as contrary to individuality or liberty, to which I ascribe higher worth than to life.
Apparently others do not share my values. That's OK: in a sense, that's exactly my point. @Superbia--the Control advocate--apparently does not think that's OK: he spends his entire time in these threads trying to shout down people who disagree with him. And I have yet to hear from him why we went to such great lengths to stop TIM if Control is the best option.
Oh, sure: Shep isn't TIM. Not at the moment anyhow. But would you really risk the entire galaxy on the premise that Shep can never become TIM-like? I mean, really ?!? I wouldn't, and I don't: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
You, OTOH, don't seem very concerned about the loss of individuality that would be inherent in the Synthesis solution, let alone the possible adverse implications--as Saren famously puts it, "...a fusion of man and machine! The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither!" By which he meant, better slaves of the Reapers--or as I suggested originally, of the Leviathans--than dead.
I mean--if Synthesis really is the best option, why did we fight to stop Saren in ME1, hm? When you have a good answer to that, I'll be interested in hearing it.
Here, you go on making more fallacious statements. We as players never rejected the decisions you present, because we were simply not presented with the choice to side with either Saren or TIM at any point in the trilogy. We were FORCED into the Destroy mindset because our main character is a pawn of the Alliance and the Council, regardless of Paragon/Renegade. Secondly, you make the dubious claim that you place higher value on the concepts of individuality or liberty than you do on life. How exactly does this translate to you being a Destroy fanboy again? Last I checked, Destroy is the ending that kills the most sentient beings while also plunging the galaxy into a dark age that will unavoidably lead to a lot more war and death between organics in the immediate future. Is it really better if organics remain unchecked when these are the results?
I spend time mostly laughing at the ridiculous "arguments" I see from Destroy fanboys, trying to justify committing genocide just so their protagonist can take another breath. Already debunked your other claim, we never had the option of joining TIM, therefore your argument is fallacious.
Here come the hypotheticals again lol. We're not "risking the entire galaxy" with Control. We are ensuring stability, peace and security under the watchful gaze of a godlike being. Whether you want to play the "liberty" card or not, the fact of the matter is that Control remains the only feasible option for long term peace and stability. Whether you like it or not, God-Shepard is the ONLY being who can stop the chaos organics wreak with their constant petty wars and enmities. A galaxy where chaos is left unchecked is never going to be a better place than a galaxy where order is enforced, no matter how hard you try to play off the "dictator" angle.
Agree
By the way, when he gets angry he starts writing to our profile))
He should seek psychiatric help and take some pills, along with long walks outside, instead of lashing out on strangers online.
Dork_Stalker_310 13 hours ago
"Unironically yes. If it stops Reapers from appearing ever again, then yes. Her, Geth and all other AIs."
Machines that can be reprogrammed.
"1) Teens aren't fully aware of consequences of their actions;"
Teen are fully aware. There are even teens go get imprisoned for life in some countries.
"2) Comparing real life genocide to blowing a bunch of robots in a video game is CRINGE and REDDIT."
I think you should request the help of an adult person close to you, with your reading comprehension.
Nowhere in my message I do COMPARE real life genocide to killing fictional robots.
Please, do pay proper attention. Otherwise you make a huge monkey out of yourself.
What I have compared was that in old days it was common for even young men to be willing to lay down their own lives for a cause. Nowadays, when people complain that something needs to be done is always in the sense of somebody else doing it. No one wants to sacrifice him or herself.
No one is comparing and/or equating the real lives and fictional lives, But noticing how egotistical, self-centered and unable to act in a sacrificing manner people nowadays have become.
In fact, my argument can only work if there is a HUGE difference between them two, and that was precisely the point. If people cant sacrifice their own tamagochis over trivial matters on a game that can always be replayed, how much of a chance they would have of sacrificing their own lives.
I repeat: No one stated nowhere that fictional lives could be compared to real lives. If you re-read it and keeps believing in such nonsense, then I guess you need to have your head examined.
You may want to seek help. I'm here if you need me. Let me know if I can help you some more, kiddo.
In the future, you may find it wise to make sure that you correctly understood what the adults are talking before jumping to ludicrous conclusions.
Now that it has been explained in such a clear way that even simpletons can understand, you have to chance to either accept my discourse for what it is - instead of falsely portraying it - or to remain being vexatious. Hope you make the correct choice, ma boi.
Best wishes. And let me reiterate it: I'm here for ya.
But it sure sounds like I triggered you in this thread, judging by all the ad hominem lol. Cope, kiddo.
If you think that a hormonal teenager, susceptible to propaganda about heroism and glory, is aware about their decisions to the same extent as an adult man, than you know absolutely nothing about life.
1) In US, most soldiers were conscripts, not voluntiers. https://95.214.53.70/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2020/demo/acs-43.pdf?__cpo=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY2Vuc3VzLmdvdg
I don't have data for Germany or Soviet Union at hand - which won't be reliable anyway, considering the track record of these countries, - but I highly doubt it was that different. Most people are afraid of dying and would try avoiding it if possible. So your little retarded rant is just that - retarded.
2) People can have different reactions to real life events as opposed to fiction. You do realise, that someone can relate to a fictional character on an interpersonal level as opposed to a self-insert fantasy? As in, someone doesn't literally consider Shepard to be an extention of their personality, but a separate hero, who's story they follow?
"Hurr durr modern man weak"
You are a waste of everyone's time. Spending a page on condescending drivel is peak manchild behavior. Now go on, type on another paragraph, KIDDO.
The point, and you keep missing it, is that the reapers can be re-purposed. As the other endings do prove to be feasible.
If you remain oblivious to the fact that destroy is the only main ending (not considering refusal) that lacks both the power and the info from the reaper helping the galaxy re-build and improve, then it is not shocking that you so consistently keep missing the point.
Take your next attempt at argument:
The fact that teenagers are responsible for their actions. Many cultures do believe that they are, and I do. The fact that you dont is beside the point. And the point, that will have to be spoken to you so you can finally understand since you keep missing it, is to showcase the fact that sacrifice was a very valued virtue, an inspiring notion for men and societies in general. So even people in their youth
Nowadays we have the emblematic example - the video went viral - of a father using his own child as human shield.
Got the picture already?
Shepard is a military leader, a soldier fighting a desperate struggle. The problem with so many people, like the destroy crowd - more like a cult of sorts in some of its more extreme examples - is that they introject their own inability to concede and sacrifice into their respective characters. They cant deal with adversity, sacrifice, loss... This is why they will claim to love the pandering and fanboy-friendly ME2 with its perfect ending (win-win with everyone living) but feel disgruntled by ME3, and any scenario with Shepard perishing.
I am glad to see that you simply lashed out, since you could not offer anything cogent to say in regards to you totally wrongful assumption that I somehow compared or equated fictional deaths with real deaths, when that would actually invalidade the whole point I was trying to make - and quite competently made it, as anyone with common sense and reading comprehension can see. Simply lashing out in frustration only makes you look like someone who is here just in order to troll and relief your hatred of the world.
And remember, destructive tendencies tend to result in self-destruction. Whenever you feel like exposing and ridicule someone's for their perceived lack of reason, make sure you will not end up exposing, in a big blunder, your very own. As so tragically happened and keep happening, like a cycle. Worse than making a huge monkey out of oneself it to engage in a litany of the same kind of situation, to everyone's marvel and wonder.
I encourage you to take your time and work on improving yourself. A new year is about to start. Maybe you can work out these issues that keep holding you back.
Best wishes on your improvement. If you need any more help understanding things - since you quite evidently struggle with it - feel free to ask for assistance. Im here for you, sonny.
1) The endings where they are "re-purposed" are either Cronenbergian r*pe of all life in the galaxy or establishment of God-Emperor Shepard, the Everlasting World Police. Neither ones are wothy outcomes, although blue one is considerably more preferable to green one.
2) People can salvage destroyed Reapers in Red ending anyway, only this time without having to deal with their presence.
I didn't say that they aren't responsible. I said they aren't fully aware - which they aren't most of the time, bar some exceptions, due to lack of lived experience. And even you probably realise, that there is a difference between your two examples of enlisting in military and going to prison for murder - and why in one example age is something to consider, while in another it's not.
"Muh many cultures" - many cultures think it's okay to kill someone who looked at you funny or disrespected your deity - it's a moronic argument. Also, I can guarantee that you haven't sacrificed anything in your life - and most likely won't, if given a chance.
^this, kids, is called autofellatio
"Muh fanboys, muh pandering" - yeah, like I said, brainrot and waste of everyone's time.