How is the council back from the dead in me3?

[Bastila Shan]

I let them die in me1, they were dead in me2 and now all of a sudden in me3 they are back, udina is on the council instead of anderson who i put on council in me1. Looks like my choices dont matter for me3 there…

[Rob'sEvilTwin]

Publicado originalmente por Raz:

What sucks is no matter if you save the the council or not, they still talk trash to you in ME3.

"Need I remind you that Shepherd let the council die? ♥♥♥♥ this guy."
"Yes, Shepherd may have saved the council, but he's still reckless and an idiot. ♥♥♥♥ this guy."

Screw the council. Hanging up on them is always the way to go.

I am always tempted to let the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ die, even when I play Paragon :D

[Bastila Shan]

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Publicado originalmente por Hoboslayer:

Oh right, well shepard had to do it there was no other way

Yes, but it's still an act of Terrorism, it's like blowing up a plane full of innocent passengers to get a mass murderer....

I know Shepard had no other choice, but how the hell is everyone else meant to know that, they have a Human saying he had to kill hundreds of thousands of Batarians to slow down the Reapers... he can't even say he stopped them, just slowed them down...

Then you have Batarians saying it's all lies, the Humans just wanted revenge for the acts of a few Batarians targetting Humans...

That's why the Council is so cold to Shepard...

Dude its more like you kill a plane full of people to prevent the whole world getting nuked.

[Eelectrica]

Biggest problem with saving the council is that they owe us a massive favour and we never get to collect on that.

[Outbound]

Well, they're far more willing to commit resources toward helping Earth and the Crucible than the replacement Council is.

[Robo_Warrior]

Publicado originalmente por Eelectrica:

Biggest problem with saving the council is that they owe us a massive favour and we never get to collect on that.

We actually get to collect an entirely symbolic Spectre status reinstatement in ME2 and the Salarian 3rd Fleet in ME3, but that's about it. There is also the Destiny Ascension. It's a little sad that we don't even see these ships on screen though, nor do they have much impact aside from some military strength.

So yeah there really isn't much pay off.

[TheRandomGuy]

The OG Council Died.

The Citadel Races appointed new Council Members after ME1.

Anderson was Humanity's Councilor if chosen for ME2, however when you start ME3 it's revealed he got frustrated with the politics and "red-tape" and went back into Alliance Military Service, ceding the job to Udina.

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Publicado originalmente por Hoboslayer:

Oh right, well shepard had to do it there was no other way

Yes, but it's still an act of Terrorism, it's like blowing up a plane full of innocent passengers to get a mass murderer....

I know Shepard had no other choice, but how the hell is everyone else meant to know that, they have a Human saying he had to kill hundreds of thousands of Batarians to slow down the Reapers... he can't even say he stopped them, just slowed them down...

Then you have Batarians saying it's all lies, the Humans just wanted revenge for the acts of a few Batarians targetting Humans...

That's why the Council is so cold to Shepard...

To be fair those Batarians were screwed either way. If Shepard DIDN'T blow up the Mass Relay in their system, the Reapers come in immediately and, well, kill the Batarians.

If Shepard DOES blow up the relay (or it happens anyways if Shep doesn't) then the Batarians die because it explodes.

GRANTED, it's kinda ironic using an Asteroid to kill a Batarian Colony after a group of Batarian Terrorists in Mass Effect 1 (Bring Down the Sky DLC) did the same thing to a human colony. Karma is not kind to them.

[orthostatic]

they were dead in me2

You may have rushed that story, because the council races still maintain seats to fill, even if the Ascension was destroyed in ME1.

udina is on the council instead of anderson who i put on council in me1

He's trapped by choice on Earth after the tutorial mission of ME3.

Looks like my choices dont matter for me3 there…

They do, but you need to maintain awareness of the story points to recognize when the mattering happens. Everything your post cites as a flaw was obviously wrong to me, and I've never even read a codex entry. The story flows reasonably well until about the middle of ME3 at which point I suspect they just took queues from the Battlestar Galactica writers.

[Damsteri]

You need to think the situation. Choices matter, if they can matter. A commander of a small ship (not Admiral and not even a commander of a battleship) can give their opinion of who they wish to be political representative of their nation (or race in this case), but the rest is politics (and Anderson is ousted as he is just a military man). It could work as a forced military coup, but this case it is just an opinion from one leader. One commander can't change multirace council to human only either, not by just wishing so. Shepard got a seat for humans and their decision about Ascension reflects to other things.

The game represent the choice at the end of ME1 as it would have more meaning in galactic power structure, but how it could? That would be unrealistic.

[ronstadt]

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Publicado originalmente por Corran001:

It's a brand new counsil and dialogues changes if you let them dye or if you save them

Let them die not let them dye. One is the cessation of life, the other is colouring fabric or hair.

lol. actually only the colors really changed from council 1 to council 2

[ronstadt]

Publicado originalmente por Caz:

While the ME franchise is overall well written, the Council is written horribly. They obstinately refuse to listen to evidence (dur dock worker witness? trollolol cant trust peasants!!), and even after Shep being proven right, repeatedly, they still scoff at everything you tell them. It's like the worst way to write a villain/antagonist: To be purposefully anti-protagonist just to be that way.

Actually, irl it is possible to meet people like that:
1. though you are a good worker, some executives think anyway your work is under expectations, for no reasons except they don't like you.
2. Your work is a shadow on some D..bag face, which happens to be the head of the project you are working on.
3. Some co-workers hate you (for X reasons) and spit the "T" around, so your bosses seem confused about your case.

imo Intelligence is kind of a liquid that can spread into dark places sometimes.

[alexander_dougherty]

Publicado originalmente por TheRandomGuy:

The OG Council Died.

The Citadel Races appointed new Council Members after ME1.

Anderson was Humanity's Councilor if chosen for ME2, however when you start ME3 it's revealed he got frustrated with the politics and "red-tape" and went back into Alliance Military Service, ceding the job to Udina.

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Yes, but it's still an act of Terrorism, it's like blowing up a plane full of innocent passengers to get a mass murderer....

I know Shepard had no other choice, but how the hell is everyone else meant to know that, they have a Human saying he had to kill hundreds of thousands of Batarians to slow down the Reapers... he can't even say he stopped them, just slowed them down...

Then you have Batarians saying it's all lies, the Humans just wanted revenge for the acts of a few Batarians targetting Humans...

That's why the Council is so cold to Shepard...

To be fair those Batarians were screwed either way. If Shepard DIDN'T blow up the Mass Relay in their system, the Reapers come in immediately and, well, kill the Batarians.

Yes, but that wasn't my point, my point was that as far as the council can see you killed a load of Batarians on a flimsy premise.

It's not about whether the Batarians could have survived, it's about how the council views those events. They don't know the entire truth, and never will, even if they survive the reapers....

[alexander_dougherty]

Publicado originalmente por Hoboslayer:

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Yes, but it's still an act of Terrorism, it's like blowing up a plane full of innocent passengers to get a mass murderer....

I know Shepard had no other choice, but how the hell is everyone else meant to know that, they have a Human saying he had to kill hundreds of thousands of Batarians to slow down the Reapers... he can't even say he stopped them, just slowed them down...

Then you have Batarians saying it's all lies, the Humans just wanted revenge for the acts of a few Batarians targetting Humans...

That's why the Council is so cold to Shepard...

Dude its more like you kill a plane full of people to prevent the whole world getting nuked.

But you didn't stop it, you merely slowed it down, so it's more like you blow up a plane full of innocent passengers to slow down the nuking of the world.... not stop just slow down...

That's the analogy here.