How is the council back from the dead in me3?

[Bastila Shan]

I let them die in me1, they were dead in me2 and now all of a sudden in me3 they are back, udina is on the council instead of anderson who i put on council in me1. Looks like my choices dont matter for me3 there…

[Ogami]

The council is already back in ME2. Did you think all the other races would not appoint new councilors after ME 1 if you let the old council die? Its said ingame that they refuse to meet with Shepard but they are back nonetheless.

Also Anderson did go back to military service when the reaper invasion threat became more imminent.
He already tells you in ME2 that he is unhappy as ambassador and not really the right person for the job.

[malgrumm]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Also Anderson did go back to military service when the reaper invasion threat became more imminent.
He already tells you in ME2 that he is unhappy as ambassador and not really the right person for the job.

There's a few things that Anderson has that Udina doesn't though...That's a level head, he knows when to push and when not to push and finally, has more of an interest in making humanity and the council races actually get along and move forward as a group.

Udina on the other hand doesn't have a level head, doesn't know when to stop and would much prefer humanity have a much more elevated position over the council as evident in ME3 where he goes off the deep end and tries to kill council members.

[Corran001]

It's a brand new counsil and dialogues changes if you let them dye or if you save them

[Bastila Shan]

Hmm they all look and sound the same to me, probably why im confused

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Corran001:

It's a brand new counsil and dialogues changes if you let them dye or if you save them

Let them die not let them dye. One is the cessation of life, the other is colouring fabric or hair.

[CrumbleCat]

In ME3, read the codex entries for both Anderson and Udina. Things will be explained.

[Raz]

What sucks is no matter if you save the the council or not, they still talk trash to you in ME3.

"Need I remind you that Shepherd let the council die? ♥♥♥♥ this guy."
"Yes, Shepherd may have saved the council, but he's still reckless and an idiot. ♥♥♥♥ this guy."

Screw the council. Hanging up on them is always the way to go.

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by Raz:

What sucks is no matter if you save the the council or not, they still talk trash to you in ME3.

"Need I remind you that Shepherd let the council die? ♥♥♥♥ this guy."
"Yes, Shepherd may have saved the council, but he's still reckless and an idiot. ♥♥♥♥ this guy."

Screw the council. Hanging up on them is always the way to go.

umm, thanks to one of the DLCs in ME2, Shepard did commit an act of blatant terrorism... the fact he did it for the right reasons doesn't help restore his image..... especially not to the Batarians..... I did try to warn the Batarians when I did it, but the coms tower cut out at that minute, leaving 300,000 or so Batarians to die from the blast from the Exploding Mass Relay....

[Bastila Shan]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Originally posted by Raz:

What sucks is no matter if you save the the council or not, they still talk trash to you in ME3.

"Need I remind you that Shepherd let the council die? ♥♥♥♥ this guy."
"Yes, Shepherd may have saved the council, but he's still reckless and an idiot. ♥♥♥♥ this guy."

Screw the council. Hanging up on them is always the way to go.

umm, thanks to one of the DLCs in ME2, Shepard did commit an act of blatant terrorism... the fact he did it for the right reasons doesn't help restore his image..... especially not to the Batarians..... I did try to warn the Batarians when I did it, but the coms tower cut out at that minute, leaving 300,000 or so Batarians to die from the blast from the Exploding Mass Relay....

Why should shepard take responsibility for killing the bartarians? That was all that doctors fault, she was indoctrinated.

[Kunyomi]

I'm pretty sure the way just about everyone (Except ofc the batarians) looks at the Alpha Relay incident is 'Definitely the right choice, but politically inconvenient and Shepard is the perfect scapegoat'. Hackett warns you about this back in ME2, at the end of Arrival.

Then the reapers come, exactly where expected, proving Shepard right.
People don't damn shepard as a terrorist, they give him a symbolic slap on the wrist to not go to war with the Batarians. While that was actually still a possibility anyway.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Why should shepard take responsibility for killing the bartarians? That was all that doctors fault, she was indoctrinated.

Because its Shepard who literally launches the asteroid into the Mass Effect Relay?
The doctor wants to stop it because she is indoctrinated.
So yes, its 100% Shepards fault that those 300k Baterians died.
That it was the only way to prevent a reaper invasion right at that point is also true.

[Bastila Shan]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Why should shepard take responsibility for killing the bartarians? That was all that doctors fault, she was indoctrinated.

Because its Shepard who literally launches the asteroid into the Mass Effect Relay?
The doctor wants to stop it because she is indoctrinated.
So yes, its 100% Shepards fault that those 300k Baterians died.
That it was the only way to prevent a reaper invasion right at that point is also true.

Oh right, well shepard had to do it there was no other way

[(ADORA)ble 🌈👊]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Why should shepard take responsibility for killing the bartarians? That was all that doctors fault, she was indoctrinated.

Because its Shepard who literally launches the asteroid into the Mass Effect Relay?
The doctor wants to stop it because she is indoctrinated.
So yes, its 100% Shepards fault that those 300k Baterians died.
That it was the only way to prevent a reaper invasion right at that point is also true.

Nope! It's literally 0% Shepards fault. 100% on the reapers.

[cwattyeso]

One thing that always bugged me with the Original Trilogy was that if in ME1 you chose to let the council die and then installed a Human Council afterward, in ME2 and ME3 that decision is ultimately retconned and made null and void. Such a shame that a pretty big decision and choice by the player is not carried on into the rest of the series. Would have been more fun to see the final two games played out with a Human Council that might have been more in support of Shepard, then just getting what we got which was the same trope of the new council not believing Shepard that the reapers were coming.

[Kunyomi]

Originally posted by cwattyeso:

One thing that always bugged me with the Original Trilogy was that if in ME1 you chose to let the council die and then installed a Human Council afterward, in ME2 and ME3 that decision is ultimately retconned and made null and void. Such a shame that a pretty big decision and choice by the player is not carried on into the rest of the series. Would have been more fun to see the final two games played out with a Human Council that might have been more in support of Shepard, then just getting what we got which was the same trope of the new council not believing Shepard that the reapers were coming.

My guess if the all human council thing was kept is in ME2 it would be a minor scene much as it already is, where the council is more concerned with keeping up pretences rather than facing the facts. Especially considering humanity essentially succeeded in what cerberus attempts in ME3, a coup. That's a lot of damage control on their hands.

Which in ME3 might make that coup mission the reverse; The full human council inevitably became Cerberus controlled, either because the council agreed with them or because those that didn't had 'unfortunate accidents' and were replaced.
So you go over there and retake it from cerberus, now you're with the Alliance.
Would have been pretty neat actually.