ME2: Please Make Liara count for the paramour achievement

[SpicyWasabi]

TLDR: What the title says. Easy fix. Huge passive improvement to storytelling for many players.

I really like the remaster but Liara not counting towards the Paramour 2 achievement is bugging me down. The description of all the romance achievements talks about establishing or rekindling a romance with someone. Considering how long the Shadow Broker DLC takes to do (especially at max difficulty) and how many interactions (Paragon prompts and dialogues choices) you need to do to reconfirm your relationship with Liara this is lame that she doesn't count towards the achievement. This also requires you to have established a romance with her in ME1 and to have imported your save (honestly idk why you wouldn't import your save but still can't start fresh if you want to continue the relationship).

I honestly don't feel like cheating on her just for the achievement but on the other side, it would be lame to miss only one achievement from the entire trilogy. Over the fact that this is morally questionable and that it doesn't fit with my values, cheating on her will affect your relationships with the characters in ME3.

So currently there are only 2 solutions that I can see
Option 1: Speedrun ME2 while cheating then ME3 up to the Paramour 3 to get all the romances achievements. Then going back to my ME2 original save where I didn't cheat and take my time doing everything. Feel like a loss of time for something that could be fixed easily tbh.
Option 2: Cheat on her and try to find the relationship for my Femshep that have less impact on ME3 afterwards but still have a guilty conscience for the next ~60 hours and suffer the consequences of Liara not counting for Paramour in ME2. On top of this, it makes the players depreciate the quality of a character since they are forced to romance her/him because of the achievement instead of truly discovering more of this character because they are interested in her/him.

[Kage Goomba]

You do realize that achievement isn't about the romance but a successful triggering of the "love scene" as a result right?

No love scene - no paramour with char.

Not that I'm unsympathetic - but its just how it is.

[SpicyWasabi]

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

You do realize that achievement isn't about the romance but a successful triggering of the "love scene" as a result right?

No love scene - no paramour with char.

Not that I'm unsympathetic - but its just how it is.

The achievement description is:
"Establish or rekindle a romantic relationship in two games in Mass Effect Legendary Edition"

Playing the DLC and the scene you get if you invite her in your ship pretty much feels like rekindling a relationship. Liara and Shepard were literally on a more than two years break since your character was getting reconstructed by Cerberus. Hell in the dialogues that you need to have for your relationship to reconfirm, she even talks about how hard it was for her and how she had to deal with grieving Shepard the entire time. At the end of the scene, it honestly feels like you're rekindling with her.
Other than this I guess that the real objective value for a relation to count for the achievement is that it needs to be a character not considered as a fling but that you still need to have sex with. Which personally for me long-term relationships aren't just about sex. So Liara scene pretty much feels like fitting with the description. Hell the devs even "censured" Miranda ass shots in LE (i don't care about them changing it btw) to make the character feel less centered around its erotic side. While they may have overlooked the relation with Liara this is kinda lame since in LE everyone has access to the Shadow Broker DLC so a lot more people might encounter this issue.

[Kage Goomba]

Originally posted by SpicyWasabi:

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

You do realize that achievement isn't about the romance but a successful triggering of the "love scene" as a result right?

No love scene - no paramour with char.

Not that I'm unsympathetic - but its just how it is.

The achievement description is:
"Establish or rekindle a romantic relationship in two games in Mass Effect Legendary Edition"

And as I said - only triggers when you get the scene in each respective game. Prove me wrong.

Rest is a waste of time to discuss.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

And as I said - only triggers when you get the scene in each respective game. Prove me wrong.

Rest is a waste of time to discuss.

The Liara romance in ME 2 is literally you telling her you want to be together, you kissing her, you inviting her to your cabin on the Normandy, you then discussing the future and starting to have sex with the screen fading to black.
And then Liara leaves the next morning.

WHY should that not count as a romance for the achievement, do tell?

[Kage Goomba]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

And as I said - only triggers when you get the scene in each respective game. Prove me wrong.

Rest is a waste of time to discuss.

The Liara romance in ME 2 is literally you telling her you want to be together, you kissing her, you inviting her to your cabin on the Normandy, you then discussing the future and starting to have sex with the screen fading to black.
And then Liara leaves the next morning.

WHY should that not count as a romance for the achievement, do tell?

I forgot about that - I stand corrected then - but I seriously doubt EA will do anything about it.

If its in there - it's not a primary romance thing - technically counts as a 2nd doesn't?

[FEZ. TF7]

Yep, happened to me too, I thought Liara would count because the description says rekindle which you basically do that in the shadow broker dlc, doesn't bother me because I'll replay the games again anyway so I can pick it up then

FYI You can't get the achievement in ME3 for upgrading a weapon to rank 10 on one play either, it can only be obtained in new game +

[Kage Goomba]

Originally posted by FEZ. TF7:

Yep, happened to me too, I thought Liara would count because the description says rekindle which you basically do that in the shadow broker dlc, doesn't bother me because I'll replay the games again anyway so I can pick it up then

FYI You can't get the achievement in ME3 for upgrading a weapon to rank 10 on one play either, it can only be obtained in new game +

Not sure I can stomach 2 plays of ME3 >.<;;;;

[Ogami]

I mean , it never counted for the Paramour achievement, even in the old games.
And people wanted it changed since Mass Effect 2.
I doubt they will do anything about it and since i wont cheat on Liara in ME 2 i will forever miss that romance achievement for ME 2.
No big deal in the end but it would be nice if they would let it trigger for the Liara romance, especially now since her Shadow Broker DLC is part of the main game in LE.

[Verios44]

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

Originally posted by FEZ. TF7:

Yep, happened to me too, I thought Liara would count because the description says rekindle which you basically do that in the shadow broker dlc, doesn't bother me because I'll replay the games again anyway so I can pick it up then

FYI You can't get the achievement in ME3 for upgrading a weapon to rank 10 on one play either, it can only be obtained in new game +

Not sure I can stomach 2 plays of ME3 >.<;;;;

Citadel DLC, Rannoch, Thuchanka, there is alot of greatness in ME3. Dont let the ending stop you.

[Kage Goomba]

Originally posted by Ogami:

I mean , it never counted for the Paramour achievement, even in the old games.
And people wanted it changed since Mass Effect 2.
I doubt they will do anything about it and since i wont cheat on Liara in ME 2 i will forever miss that romance achievement for ME 2.
No big deal in the end but it would be nice if they would let it trigger for the Liara romance, especially now since her Shadow Broker DLC is part of the main game.

Well - I have no issues if it was changed - but again - EA - yep.

[Kage Goomba]

Originally posted by Verios44:

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

Not sure I can stomach 2 plays of ME3 >.<;;;;

Citadel DLC, Rannoch, Thuchanka, there is alot of greatness in ME3. Dont let the ending stop you.

What stopped me wasn't so much the content - everything was bloody fantastic - right up to the last 15-30mins of the game.

Was too angry to go back lol.

Should be better this time I think.

[Ogami]

BTW you can actually "cheat" the Paramour achievement.
In Mass Effect 1 when your Love Interest comes to you the night before Ilos, make a save, have sex, the achievement pops, then reload the scene and repeat, Paramour II will pop and repeat a third time for the last one.

[SpicyWasabi]

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

Originally posted by SpicyWasabi:

The achievement description is:
"Establish or rekindle a romantic relationship in two games in Mass Effect Legendary Edition"

And as I said - only triggers when you get the scene in each respective game. Prove me wrong.

Rest is a waste of time to discuss.

I know I can't get it. There is no point trying to prove wrong dozens of achievements guides on the Internet. My entire point is more about how the condition for the achievement code-wise and the description they give for it don't have the same conditions. Like storytelling wise that doesn't make sense. On top of this, it makes the player feels bad for it.
The DLCs of the original ME2 aren't even available on Steam. The thing is LE has all the DLCs in the main game whatever your platform is. They made a lot of changes. Their post about them even included a section just about achievements so they clearly revised them. The first patch of May 17th even had bug fixes for the tracking of Kill X enemies achievements. I just feel that this is another thing that could easily be fixed in a future patch. I wouldn't be surprised they do at least one more update for PC when they do the official PS5 Xbox Series S/X port.

[Kage Goomba]

Originally posted by SpicyWasabi:

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

And as I said - only triggers when you get the scene in each respective game. Prove me wrong.

Rest is a waste of time to discuss.

I know I can't get it. There is no point trying to prove wrong dozens of achievements guides on the Internet. My entire point is more about how the condition for the achievement code-wise and the description they give for it don't have the same conditions. Like storytelling wise that doesn't make sense. On top of this, it makes the player feels bad for it.
The DLCs of the original ME2 aren't even available on Steam. The thing is LE has all the DLCs in the main game whatever your platform is. They made a lot of changes. Their post about them even included a section just about achievements so they clearly revised them. The first patch of May 17th even had bug fixes for the tracking of Kill X enemies achievements. I just feel that this is another thing that could easily be fixed in a future patch. I wouldn't be surprised they do at least one more update for PC when they do the official PS5 Xbox Series S/X port.

Read the rest of the thread - I changed my viewpoint - but even then .... facts are EA likely doesn't care. <shrugs>

[SpicyWasabi]

Originally posted by Kage Goomba:

Originally posted by SpicyWasabi:

I know I can't get it. There is no point trying to prove wrong dozens of achievements guides on the Internet. My entire point is more about how the condition for the achievement code-wise and the description they give for it don't have the same conditions. Like storytelling wise that doesn't make sense. On top of this, it makes the player feels bad for it.
The DLCs of the original ME2 aren't even available on Steam. The thing is LE has all the DLCs in the main game whatever your platform is. They made a lot of changes. Their post about them even included a section just about achievements so they clearly revised them. The first patch of May 17th even had bug fixes for the tracking of Kill X enemies achievements. I just feel that this is another thing that could easily be fixed in a future patch. I wouldn't be surprised they do at least one more update for PC when they do the official PS5 Xbox Series S/X port.

Read the rest of the thread - I changed my viewpoint - but even then .... facts are EA likely doesn't care. <shrugs>

Yeah I forgot to mention I read it. I just felt like I needed to give more explanation in case other people read the topic. But yeah. It's more of a "let's hope it get fixed since people wanted it changed since the original ME2 DLC release" than anything.