Editing Miranda's scenes when they can be skipped anyway

[Phlegethon666]

I've heard that there has been a lot of uproar about the mass effect team censoring the legendary edition, more specifically the scenes where Miranda's butt is shown in a cutscene or dialogue option. Just to be clear I am someone who understands that this is meant to be a way to portray the character as the game describes her as genetically perfect as well as her sexuality in a way that isn't just for male titillation even though some of the team as well as some journalists would say that "This is exactly what the game is doing." If the fanbase (of which I am also a part of) can't stop the censorship outright might I suggest a trade-off, something else to censor instead of what Bioware are planning to or have already censored. My suggestion is that you leave the scenes where Miranda's butt is shown as is (or put them back if you have already censored them) and instead get rid of the side activity in mass effect 2 (not entirely sure if the activity was in 1 or 3 I didn't actively look for it) that allows the player to go to a strip club, watch an asari stripper dancing on the table right in front of shepherd's face and then gives you the option to tip her when the dialogue options come to an end. For me personally I found this side activity by accident once and found it utterly pointless and I wouldn't think anything less of the team behind the Legendary Edition if this activity was cut and the scenes involving Miranda were left as they were (or put back in) just like in the original game. continuing with this subject just think, this is a beloved franchise. One that was built on meaningful choices and described as the mass effect facebook page says Mature with Blood, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Violence all of which I agree, would Garner an 18 rating overall, but censoring this in a world that praises Game of Thrones just doesn't make any sense to me personally. Both franchises are well loved by their respected fanbase, but if HBO said to the fans that they were going to censor a rape scene or cut out the part of the Red Wedding that showed Rob Stark's pregnant wife Talisa being stabbed in the Womb, fans would be up in arms demanding these scenes be redone like they were when they demanded the final season be completely redone. One of my final notes is this. There is a lot of entertainment, be it Television or videogames that I would agree needs censoring due to tasteless nudity and titillation. The scenes showing Miranda's posterior don't fall into either 2 categories mentioned because of the fact that you can skip the majority of them yourself by pressing spacebar on your PC or X on your PlayStation controller etc. and when you get to a dialogue scenes showing her butt for an extended period of time you can almost immediately select the option you want and carry on skipping to the scenes conclusion. In short the creators of Mass effect gave us the option to censor the game ourselves from the beginning if we so desired. Granted there are people who would say "this is pointless these people can't be trusted to do it themselves", but think for a second, there are people who like the game and want to maintain their innocence and have had the game they have enjoyed for the past decade censored, not because they were forced to, but because they chose to do it themselves. Lastly to wrap this up I wish to reiterate what I have tried to convey in my lengthy message above and respectfully ask you to please don't force this censorship upon us all. As I said before you gave us the option to do it ourselves from the very beginning and to take that choice away (be you for or against the censorship) would detract from the core value that the entire Mass effect franchise itself is built on. Making your own Choice.

[Jean]

The person who created the stories and characters then is the person making these decisions now. He knows better than you about the intention and value of glueing the camera to Miranda's ass. He'll change the camera angles a bit away from dat ass during a few scenes where they are just weird af and that's pretty much that.

[Xautos]

Originally posted by joshuapennington48:

I've heard that there has been a lot of uproar about the mass effect team censoring the legendary edition, more specifically the scenes where Miranda's butt is shown in a cutscene or dialogue option.

Just to be clear I am someone who understands that this is meant to be a way to portray the character as the game describes her as genetically perfect as well as her sexuality in a way that isn't just for male titillation even though some of the team as well as some journalists would say that "This is exactly what the game is doing."
If the fanbase (of which I am also a part of) can't stop the censorship outright might I suggest a trade-off, something else to censor instead of what Bioware are planning to or have already censored.

My suggestion is that you leave the scenes where Miranda's butt is shown as is (or put them back if you have already censored them) and instead get rid of the side activity in mass effect 2 (not entirely sure if the activity was in 1 or 3 I didn't actively look for it) that allows the player to go to a strip club, watch an asari stripper dancing on the table right in front of shepherd's face and then gives you the option to tip her when the dialogue options come to an end. For me personally I found this side activity by accident once and found it utterly pointless and I wouldn't think anything less of the team behind the Legendary Edition if this activity was cut and the scenes involving Miranda were left as they were (or put back in) just like in the original game.

Continuing with this subject just think, this is a beloved franchise. One that was built on meaningful choices and described as the mass effect facebook page says Mature with Blood, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Violence all of which I agree, would Garner an 18 rating overall, but censoring this in a world that praises Game of Thrones just doesn't make any sense to me personally. Both franchises are well loved by their respected fanbase, but if HBO said to the fans that they were going to censor a rape scene or cut out the part of the Red Wedding that showed Rob Stark's pregnant wife Talisa being stabbed in the Womb, fans would be up in arms demanding these scenes be redone like they were when they demanded the final season be completely redone.

One of my final notes is this. There is a lot of entertainment, be it Television or videogames that I would agree needs censoring due to tasteless nudity and titillation. The scenes showing Miranda's posterior don't fall into either 2 categories mentioned because of the fact that you can skip the majority of them yourself by pressing spacebar on your PC or X on your PlayStation controller etc. and when you get to a dialogue scenes showing her butt for an extended period of time you can almost immediately select the option you want and carry on skipping to the scenes conclusion.

In short the creators of Mass effect gave us the option to censor the game ourselves from the beginning if we so desired. Granted there are people who would say "this is pointless these people can't be trusted to do it themselves", but think for a second, there are people who like the game and want to maintain their innocence and have had the game they have enjoyed for the past decade censored, not because they were forced to, but because they chose to do it themselves.

Lastly to wrap this up I wish to reiterate what I have tried to convey in my lengthy message above and respectfully ask you to please don't force this censorship upon us all. As I said before you gave us the option to do it ourselves from the very beginning and to take that choice away (be you for or against the censorship) would detract from the core value that the entire Mass effect franchise itself is built on. Making your own Choice.

i've split your wall of text so i can read it.

There is no censoring going on, it is merely a camera being moved from the backside to another location, because its tactless where it is considering the context of what Miranda is discussing regarding her sister and father.

We only have part of why the change was needed from the developers in question, we don't have a full idea of what is going on, so i can't give you a more complete answer yet, and honestly you shouldn't be making such a comment until you know more as well.

The suggestion you made about the Asari stripper dancing (which is in ME1, Chora's Den), that is essentially censorship you are suggesting there by removing that part of the game. so you have a problem with one girl showing her backside, but not another girl showing everything else?

[<:)]

not having an ass in a skintight bodysuit floating in frame during a conversation for no reason, is not 'censorship'. Those camera angles were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cringe.
Almost as cringe as this discussion board being a whinge fest of neckbeards crying """censorship""".

[Phlegethon666]

Repeating what I said about Game of Thrones, if HBO said they were censoring the scene in the red wedding where Talisa Stark is stabbed in her womb do you think the fans would be happy about that or would they be up in arms. Further more I don't recall hearing any mainstream journalists at the time calling for the episode to be censored or cut entirely instead all I heard from them was nothing but high praise. High praise for a show that revels in rape and bloody murder. My point being they are both 18 rated, Game of Thrones is an 18+ mature show and by comparison (in my opinion) is more gory and sexualizes women in a way that is utterly disgusting, Showing them as prostitutes, fully naked and the creators of these episodes basically going "Meh......Anyway." and the mass effect creators want to edit a scene in an 18+ Mature game where a clothed woman's posterior is the main focus of a few scenes for only a few seconds.

I understand if you think I am angry Jean and you would be right, but rest assured I am not angry at you. I am angry because of the fact made clear to me by TV presenter and producer Charlie Brooker is becoming more and more true, that fact being that before videogames television was the figurative boogeyman of society and now in this day and age the same people who would have hounded parents and children about how bad TV is for them now have demonised videogames significantly more than the Gogglebox ever was demonised at the height of it's subsequent period of hysteria.

[Jean]

This has nothing to do with censorship, sex or blaming videogame for anything. You'll still get your dose of Miranda butt, just not during a few scene where they are cringe and distracting like when she's discussing her father abuse or how he's trying to kidnap her sister.

[<:)]

Originally posted by joshuapennington48:

Repeating what I said about Game of Thrones, if HBO said they were censoring the scene in the red wedding where Talisa Stark is stabbed in her womb do you think the fans would be happy about that or would they be up in arms. Further more I don't recall hearing any mainstream journalists at the time calling for the episode to be censored or cut entirely instead all I heard from them was nothing but high praise. High praise for a show that revels in rape and bloody murder. My point being they are both 18 rated, Game of Thrones is an 18+ mature show and by comparison (in my opinion) is more gory and sexualizes women in a way that is utterly disgusting, Showing them as prostitutes, fully naked and the creators of these episodes basically going "Meh......Anyway." and the mass effect creators want to edit a scene in an 18+ Mature game where a clothed woman's posterior is the main focus of a few scenes for only a few seconds.

I understand if you think I am angry Jean and you would be right, but rest assured I am not angry at you. I am angry because of the fact made clear to me by TV presenter and producer Charlie Brooker is becoming more and more true, that fact being that before videogames television was the figurative boogeyman of society and now in this day and age the same people who would have hounded parents and children about how bad TV is for them now have demonised videogames significantly more than the Gogglebox ever was demonised at the height of it's subsequent period of hysteria.

"repeating my irrelevant comparison to a scene from a t.v show that makes sense given the context, because i think it makes me sound smart."

[Darkrayne]

Should have just been an option to turn them off if you don't like them. Everybody would be happy with that.

[Phlegethon666]

To Xautos

The argument i was trying to make about Miranda and the stripper at chora's den was that the editors were going to cut out one part of the game that sexualizes women in (my opinion) a non titillating way and from what I've heard leave the side activity with the stripper as is.

I understand the need for censorship and appreciate your viewpoint, I was just thinking (in terms of an editing trade-off) that if the editors are contractually obligated to edit certain parts of the game then why not edit out some sexual content that is unnecessary in terms of the story's progression and keep the content that could be seen as an integral part of the characters story progression in, at least in the terms of the players romance storyline.

[Orbital Føroysk 🪐]

I just find it funny that they'll keep the sex scenes in but not the butt shot.

Edit: Actually, I bet they make the sex scenes in ME1 fully clothed, lol.

[Phlegethon666]

To Darkrayne

I honestly can't tell if you are trying to troll me or genuinely insult me. Either way I appreciate that you can see what I was trying to say in terms of the Game of Thrones comparison. I've said what I wanted to say and if your reply to me is meant to tell me that you're offended by what I've said I can only apologise. At the end of the day these are my viewpoints on the matter, the only way my opinion will change is when the game releases and I can see for myself if the changes that Bioware have made or want to make are as drastic as many fans are making them out to be.

[Phlegethon666]

Okay. I have just watched what YongYea has to say about the matter regarding the "Butt shot Controversy" as well as Shepard man-spreading as male Shepard and Femshep. I initially thought that the editors were planning on changing Miranda's character model in a way that would detract from her overall story.

YongYea also said that the changes were meant to help with conveying the seriousness of Miranda's conversation with Shepard, specifically with regards to her sister which come to think of it does make a lot of sense now that I think about it. Looking at a tweet he showed from Liana Ruppert it says that her body will not be changed and that they are not going to be changing the romance scenes at all. I was under the impression that editing certain camera angles was going to be a precursor to the editors bowing to the P.C. parade and completely redoing the character model. Scratch that I thought that editing the scenes of her butt was a precursor to them turning the game upside down in terms of its more sensible portrayal of it's mature content amongst everything else the trilogy offers fans overall. More fool me.

Now that the situation has been explained in a way that doesn't blow it out of all proportions I will admit that I was wrong to say what I said in my very long messages before. I was more or less in panic mode when I heard the words "Fans outraged" and "changes" in that order. If the team are just looking to make the serious conversations.... well... more serious by adjusting camera angles to take our attention away from her butt then that's fine. I was just thinking that I would be playing through the trilogy and be thinking to myself "They've changed this part, That didn't happen before, This wasn't what happened when I played this the first time."

At this point now I have had everything explained to me clearly i'm okay with what Bioware are doing with Miranda, so long as nobody finds a story from a creditable source saying that "There are more serious changes coming before may 14th" I shall now be taking a neutral stance to what's going on at the moment and wait to see what the finished product looks like on release day, and hope that this "Butt controversy and man-spreading femshep" are the only two serious things that Bioware want to alter before the trilogy is released.