60 bucks is way to much

[Lalgerino91]

for bassicly just a bundle

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by Zalie:

Just had a quick look in the steam store now for fun. Mass effect 1 selling for 19.99 euro, Mass effect 2 for 19.99 euro, and Mass effect 3 for 29.99 euro (did not look if dlc are included in these).

It's litterally cheaper to buy the legendary edition than it is to buy the old games (at least on steam). And if you already own the old games and dont care about the updates, then dont buy the legendary edition. So much whining from some people...

How many people do you know who recently bought all 3 games for full price? Probably none. The older a game is, the more likely it is that people buy it on sale. And the more and better sales it gets. Check the price history. On Origin Mass Effect was more on sale than it was not in recent times. The trilogy was even as low as 6€ on Amazon. ME2 was even free for a while. The current non-reduced store price doesn't really matter (especially not the overpriced Steam versions). I think the actual market value is way more important, and it's more realistic to use that for a comparison. I mean, would you honestly say that ME1 is worth 20€ when it's frequently on sale for even as low as 1.75€? The non-discounted price on Origin right now even seems to be 7.99€, not 19.99€. The all-time average price is 6.89€, and frankly, one shouldn't even pay that much, considering the frequent sales. The average deal price is 4.15€.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by TheAlphaWolf449:

How is this game not a remaster. Enhanced models, updated textures, bug fixes, better display support, new hardware support, even some game mechanic overhauling for the first game. Its very worth $60 and it is definitely the remaster the game needed.

Remaster isn't really a fixed term in gaming. ME1 has a moderate update done to it. ME2 and 3 seem to only have minor updates.

[Nothing.]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

Originally posted by Zalie:

Just had a quick look in the steam store now for fun. Mass effect 1 selling for 19.99 euro, Mass effect 2 for 19.99 euro, and Mass effect 3 for 29.99 euro (did not look if dlc are included in these).

It's litterally cheaper to buy the legendary edition than it is to buy the old games (at least on steam). And if you already own the old games and dont care about the updates, then dont buy the legendary edition. So much whining from some people...

How many people do you know who recently bought all 3 games for full price? Probably none. The older a game is, the more likely it is that people buy it on sale. And the more and better sales it gets. Check the price history. On Origin Mass Effect was more on sale than it was not in recent times. The trilogy was even as low as 6€ on Amazon. ME2 was even free for a while. The current non-reduced store price doesn't really matter (especially not the overpriced Steam versions). I think the actual market value is way more important, and it's more realistic to use that for a comparison. I mean, would you honestly say that ME1 is worth 20€ when it's frequently on sale for even as low as 1.75€? The non-discounted price on Origin right now even seems to be 7.99€, not 19.99€. The all-time average price is 6.89€, and frankly, one shouldn't even pay that much, considering the frequent sales. The average deal price is 4.15€.

The real hidden issue of trying to weigh the value of buying the originals and determining the value of that compared to the LE is going to be the DLC situation.

Truth be told, yes, you can get all 3 games individually cheap if you wait on sale, and it'll cost you (at least currently until LE goes on sale for a similar amount) probably much less. But since LE includes most DLC, you have to weigh that value and convenience proposition. Even Origin offers a package with all 3 games, but if I recall correctly, DLC is NOT included for 2 and 3.

Mass Effect 1's DLC is all free for PC users, EA offers links for it on their site, so aside from ME1's general quirks, there's not too much of an issue here. If you get the game on Origin, I believe it comes with both during the installation.

However, with ME2 problems start. Unfortunately, Bioware's original DLC distribution was appalling, and is incredibly inconvenient to legitimate customers who bought that stuff with Bioware points. Steam owners of ME2 weren't and still aren't offered an easy path to owning DLC, so if you actually want DLC for ME2 you need to jump through several hoops and in some cases tedious download process if you actually try to buy that stuff legitimately. If you get the game on Origin though, you can actually buy the DLC as a separate package, and it'll probably for the most part function as it should.

Since ME3 was never on Steam until recently, the only inconvenience with ME3 for the longest time was simply you couldn't own the game on Steam. Now you can, and it has a DLC package like it would if you were buying it on Origin, it's just the price is higher than it probably should be.

If you're willing to jump through all those hoops and potentially own the game(s) outside of Steam, you most definitely can still get a cheaper price than LE, but it's probably nowhere as convenient as the all-in-one, which is probably going to appeal a lot more to people who don't own any of the games at all.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Nothing.:

Originally posted by KillingArts:

How many people do you know who recently bought all 3 games for full price? Probably none. The older a game is, the more likely it is that people buy it on sale. And the more and better sales it gets. Check the price history. On Origin Mass Effect was more on sale than it was not in recent times. The trilogy was even as low as 6€ on Amazon. ME2 was even free for a while. The current non-reduced store price doesn't really matter (especially not the overpriced Steam versions). I think the actual market value is way more important, and it's more realistic to use that for a comparison. I mean, would you honestly say that ME1 is worth 20€ when it's frequently on sale for even as low as 1.75€? The non-discounted price on Origin right now even seems to be 7.99€, not 19.99€. The all-time average price is 6.89€, and frankly, one shouldn't even pay that much, considering the frequent sales. The average deal price is 4.15€.

The real hidden issue of trying to weigh the value of buying the originals and determining the value of that compared to the LE is going to be the DLC situation.

Truth be told, yes, you can get all 3 games individually cheap if you wait on sale, and it'll cost you (at least currently until LE goes on sale for a similar amount) probably much less. But since LE includes most DLC, you have to weigh that value and convenience proposition. Even Origin offers a package with all 3 games, but if I recall correctly, DLC is NOT included for 2 and 3.

Mass Effect 1's DLC is all free for PC users, EA offers links for it on their site, so aside from ME1's general quirks, there's not too much of an issue here. If you get the game on Origin, I believe it comes with both during the installation.

However, with ME2 problems start. Unfortunately, Bioware's original DLC distribution was appalling, and is incredibly inconvenient to legitimate customers who bought that stuff with Bioware points. Steam owners of ME2 weren't and still offered an easy path to owning DLC, so if you actually want DLC for ME2 you need to jump through several hoops and in some cases tedious download process if you actually try to buy that stuff legitimately. If you get the game on Origin though, you can actually buy the DLC as a separate package, and it'll probably for the most part function as it should.

Since ME3 was never on Steam until recently, the only inconvenience with ME3 for the longest time was simply you couldn't own the game on Steam. Now you can, and it has a DLC package like it would buying it on Origin, it's just the price is higher than it probably should be.

If you're willing to jump through all those hoops and potentially own the game(s) outside of Steam, you most definitely can still get a cheaper price than LE, but it's probably nowhere as convenient as the all-in-one, which is probably going to appeal a lot more to people who don't own any of the games at all.

But is EA’s failure to implement a hassle-free DLC system a legitimate reason to charge so much for the Legendary Edition? To me it’s the same as people who’re arguing the new bug fixes are a selling point. these are not features the customer should be being charged for.

And on the point of the DLC cost, the DLCs have also been massively reduced on sales many times by this point.

[Nothing.]

Originally posted by Morgan:

But is EA’s failure to implement a hassle-free DLC system a legitimate reason to charge so much for the Legendary Edition? To me it’s the same as people who’re arguing the new bug fixes are a selling point. these are not features the customer should be being charged for.

And on the point of the DLC cost, the DLCs have also been massively reduced on sales many times by this point.

Maybe not directly, but that's just the situation we have to endure. I don't like it, mostly because I was one of the poor saps who bought Bioware points for DLC back many years ago, and that entire system makes it incredibly inconvenient for me to play ME2 with DLC, because I have to meticulously download and install DLC off their site and crack it (because EA's verification system is broken and won't verify what I legally purchased).

They can honestly charge as much as they want for LE, it's actually a miracle they're not charging $70 if you consider how modern gaming trends want players to pay even more for their games. The fact that it can be inconvenient to own the original games and all their content actually works in their favor, because people are going to be more inclined to buy the more modern version that has everything in one package AND has updated graphics and features.

The reality here is that value is subjective. You can definitely list a bunch of objective differences and what you get or lose with something like this, but $60 for updated graphics, and revised gameplay for ME1 might be all somebody needs to determine it's worth the cost. I don't speak for everybody, but I know in my personal situation owning ME1 and ME2 with DLC, I don't consider it worth the cost, at least, not right now. Maybe years from now if it's dirt cheap, but I doubt even that.

Should bug fixes be a selling point? Probably not, but again, this is just the reality we have to endure. ME1, ME2, and ME3 stopped being updated many years ago. They were left with all kinds of different bugs. In some cases, there are mods that can help alleviate them, in other cases, not. It might be worth something to somebody that Bioware MAY have fixed some of those issues, but we'll see how thorough the actually are.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Nothing.:

Originally posted by Morgan:

But is EA’s failure to implement a hassle-free DLC system a legitimate reason to charge so much for the Legendary Edition? To me it’s the same as people who’re arguing the new bug fixes are a selling point. these are not features the customer should be being charged for.

And on the point of the DLC cost, the DLCs have also been massively reduced on sales many times by this point.

Maybe not directly, but that's just the situation we have to endure. I don't like it, mostly because I was one of the poor saps who bought Bioware points for DLC back many years ago, and that entire system makes it incredibly inconvenient for me to play ME2 with DLC, because I have to meticulously download and install DLC off their site and crack it (because EA's verification system is broken and won't verify what I legally purchased).

They can honestly charge as much as they want for LE, it's actually a miracle they're not charging $70 if you consider how modern gaming trends want players to pay even more for their games. The fact that it can be inconvenient to own the original games and all their content actually works in their favor, because people are going to be more inclined to buy the more modern version that has everything in one package AND has updated graphics and features.

The reality here is that value is subjective. You can definitely list a bunch of objective differences and what you get or lose with something like this, but $60 for updated graphics, and revised gameplay for ME1 might be all somebody needs to determine it's worth the cost. I don't speak for everybody, but I know in my personal situation owning ME1 and ME2 with DLC, I don't consider it worth the cost, at least, not right now. Maybe years from now if it's dirt cheap, but I doubt even that.

Value is also comparative. I the UK they’re charging £55 ($75 US) this is above normal AAA price which itself has risen sharply in the past 6 years or so. If we compare this other “remasters”, Skyrim was free if you already owned it. Mafia was reduced (IIRC), Mafia 2 was free, Dark Souls was reduced. Most of the Halo games were never out on PC but the collection is comparatively cheap, the updated version of the Witcher 3 is reportedly going to be free for existing customers. Within the wider context the LE is not great value by comparison, and very poor value if you’ve already shelled out for the bulk of the content.

[sammus]

If you recently played 1-3 and all DLC I can see this being a hard sell. As for me, It's been ages since I played the original trilogy so this price is acceptable to me. Imagine the sheer amount of hours you will get out of this if you intend to 100% them all. It's actually much better value for money than most other full price games out there.

[White Widow]

Originally posted by sammus:

If you recently played 1-3 and all DLC I can see this being a hard sell. As for me, It's been ages since I played the original trilogy so this price is acceptable to me. Imagine the sheer amount of hours you will get out of this if you intend to 100% them all. It's actually much better value for money than most other full price games out there.

You could download daggerfall for free and get a game you could sink 500 hours into... The hour argument is irrelevant. Value is of course subjective when it comes to length of game to value of said game. The point others are trying to get at is that Mass Effect is old, nearly a decade old for ME3, and charging 60 bucks for what amounts to 5% of the original amount of work done for these games is a bit ridiculous.. That's how I look at these remasters, how much work really went into this and how much profit margin is EA looking at? Looks like a ton to me.

Again, you want it for the full price then that's fine but you're just teaching EA that they can charge a ton for anything. I mean they already think that haha but I don't want to help the process along any faster.

[`Clu`]

I'll definitely wait for a 50% sale in December. From what I saw on Youtube. ME1 is a remaster. 2 and 3 are just moderate and minimal updates. When you compare Halo MCC, which was made from scratch for all 6 games to PC, which was $40, you know this is EA being EA.

[Icepick UK]

Originally posted by `Clu`:

I'll definitely wait for a 50% sale in December. From what I saw on Youtube. ME1 is a remaster. 2 and 3 are just moderate and minimal updates. When you compare Halo MCC, which was made from scratch for all 6 games to PC, which was $40, you know this is EA being EA.

BUT DID MCC HAVE DLC????????
/s

[Cafâ]

I agree and disagree. If you wanted to buy everything included in this pack it would cost you around 100 euros, yet they charge 60 and everything looks nicer. BUT, it would be ridiculous of them to ask for more since you have no choice but to buy everything in this bundle.
It's also 3 games that got 3 different treatments. Mass Effect 1 might just be one of the best remasters I've seen. It can probably almost pass as a remake, that being said, Mass Effect 2 probably has a very small amount of changes that we're gonna notice and Mass Effect 3 even more so. My justification for buying LE even though I own all three games and their DLCs is pretty much, these are my 3 all-time favorite video games and I'm gonna be playing them forever so I might as well own the best versions of the games.

[Juri]

I disagree. I think it's priced fairly. Mass Effect 1 has a lot of improvments both in graphics and gameplay and much improved graphics, 2 and 3 also have many improvements. Also the engine is updated, new effects are added, game is done for 21:9, there is HDR support, also photo mode. 60$ for 3 games with all DLC isn't a lot to be honest. Check for example diablo 2 ressurected - which is also like 40$ but just for one game, and there is much less changes.

One missing thing i am sad is lack of multiplayer. If it was added then the price would be pretty good. Now it's just good enough.

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by Juri:

Check for example diablo 2 ressurected - which is also like 40$ but just for one game, and there is much less changes.

I thought you must be mistaken. But you're right, it's 39.99€. Unbelievable. We're really teaching publishers that they don't have to make good new games anymore, if we're willing to spend 40€ on a 21 year old game.

[rIdzu. x64 👊😎]

No its not 60 bucks for three games with all DLC's So its like 20 bucks for each of the remastered game.

[KillingArts]

Originally posted by rIdzu.:

No its not 60 bucks for three games with all DLC's So its like 20 bucks for each of the remastered game.

No, it's not 20 per game (else show me where to buy ME1 Remastered for 20, please). It's the price of a brand new AAA game for all three (with varying degrees of improvement). That's a difference.