[Spoilers] Possible to do Tali's AND Legion's Loyalty mission before/after a certain event?

[Crimson Nemesis]

Yeaa, I mentioned it in the title, there's going to be certain spoilers here, so read at your own risk if you didn't finish ME before.

So iirc you pick up Legion during the IFF mission and have certain cutscenes after that.
What I *don't* remember is, however, when the abduction event starts. Was it directly the first time you interacted with the Galaxy map after the IFF mission? Since I remember that you do not necessarily get a lot of time/opportunitiy to jabber the ♥♥♥♥ out of Legion (which is a shame, I love them).

I wanted to bring Legion to Tali's loyalty mission since that supposedly triggers interesting conversations (I mean... duuh), but I'm not sure if there's the time to do *two* missions before you go after your crew.
Since the more time you let pass (i.e. the more missions you do) between the abduction and the rescue, the more likely it becomes that half or more of your crew dies in the collector base.

So there's that - *if* the abduction happens directly after the IFF, is there enough time to do both of those loyalty missions without risking the lives of half of your crew?

[tevrarain]

You can do 2 missions before you lose people.

[jaydeamali]

It's one or two missions after the getting the IFF. Can't remember exactly as I do everything I can before that (with the exception of Arrival DLC). Legion's loyalty mission counts for one. Since I do everything else before that, the abduction for me happens right after that mission.

I'd suggest saving before doing the IFF, then see what happens after Tali's mission. If it goes into the abduction, load that save and do her mission first. That way, you can see the interesting conversations and can stop, reverse, and continue without having to sacrifice your crew.

[GoldKn3cht]

It is possible.
You only have to sacrifice your crew.

[z3r0t3n™]

You have exactly 2 missions after picking up the IFF (Tali & Legion). Than the ambush happens and you head directly to the collector base. If you do any mission between the ambush and going to the base, you will loose half of your crew, including Kelly.

You will have everyone loyal and every crew member surviving.

[Six of Saturn]

Originally posted by z3r0t3n™:

You have exactly 2 missions after picking up the IFF (Tali & Legion). Than the ambush happens and you head directly to the collector base. If you do any mission between the ambush and going to the base, you will loose half of your crew, including Kelly.

You will have everyone loyal and every crew member surviving.

This is the correct answer.

Aside, If you do all loyalty prior to IFF mission and give Legion to Cerberus the ambush will happen immediately. And yes Kelly is first on the chopping block, if you do four or more missions after ambush you lose them all I believe.

[Crimson Nemesis]

Alrighty, thanks for the answers!

Originally posted by GoldKn3cht:

It is possible.
You only have to sacrifice your crew.

That's definitely an option if you're rather Renegade-ish (or 100% Renegade, in fact). I'd rather not in my "canon run" though, lol.

Originally posted by Six of Saturn:

Aside, If you do all loyalty prior to IFF mission and give Legion to Cerberus the ambush will happen immediately.

That's good know, wasn't aware of that o.O
(Not that I would abandon Legion, though... However I knew that it is possible for Jack to get handed over to Cerberus and appear as an enemy in 3 as a consequence. Not too sure how you'd do that, but yea)

[Canadian Ninja]

Originally posted by Crimson Nightmare:

Alrighty, thanks for the answers!

Originally posted by GoldKn3cht:

It is possible.
You only have to sacrifice your crew.

That's definitely an option if you're rather Renegade-ish (or 100% Renegade, in fact). I'd rather not in my "canon run" though, lol.

Originally posted by Six of Saturn:

Aside, If you do all loyalty prior to IFF mission and give Legion to Cerberus the ambush will happen immediately.

That's good know, wasn't aware of that o.O
(Not that I would abandon Legion, though... However I knew that it is possible for Jack to get handed over to Cerberus and appear as an enemy in 3 as a consequence. Not too sure how you'd do that, but yea)

if you don't want to sac Legion, it also lets you do his loyalty mission first, and then next time you boot up the galaxy map it will start the abduction. It's what I do in basically every run.

[Chunky Weapon]

Originally posted by Six of Saturn:

Originally posted by z3r0t3n™:

You have exactly 2 missions after picking up the IFF (Tali & Legion). Than the ambush happens and you head directly to the collector base. If you do any mission between the ambush and going to the base, you will loose half of your crew, including Kelly.

You will have everyone loyal and every crew member surviving.

This is the correct answer.

Aside, If you do all loyalty prior to IFF mission and give Legion to Cerberus the ambush will happen immediately. And yes Kelly is first on the chopping block, if you do four or more missions after ambush you lose them all I believe.

Everyone but Chakwas. I'm pretty sure she lives no matter what.

[Outbound]

Originally posted by Six of Saturn:

Originally posted by z3r0t3n™:

You have exactly 2 missions after picking up the IFF (Tali & Legion). Than the ambush happens and you head directly to the collector base. If you do any mission between the ambush and going to the base, you will loose half of your crew, including Kelly.

You will have everyone loyal and every crew member surviving.

This is the correct answer.

Aside, If you do all loyalty prior to IFF mission and give Legion to Cerberus the ambush will happen immediately. And yes Kelly is first on the chopping block, if you do four or more missions after ambush you lose them all I believe.

All but Dr Chakwas. She survives to be rescued no matter how long you take, the only way to kill her is to send her back to the Normandy without an escort.

[benwaggoner]

ME1: The Race Against Time
ME2: The Battle Against a Race Against Time

Really, all three games actually disincentivize against acting with the urgency the narrative demands.

[Canadian Ninja]

Originally posted by benwaggoner:

ME1: The Race Against Time
ME2: The Battle Against a Race Against Time

Really, all three games actually disincentivize against acting with the urgency the narrative demands.

Open world, or "open space", I guess, doesn't track well with a ticking time plot. Yet somehow all three attempt it.

[Crimson Nemesis]

Originally posted by benwaggoner:

ME1: The Race Against Time
ME2: The Battle Against a Race Against Time

Really, all three games actually disincentivize against acting with the urgency the narrative demands.

I actually thought it was getting particular "hilarious" in Me3, where the war is ongoing and you.... can just fly around through galaxies and search for stupid statues or whatnot (or party on the Citadel). Granted, the Reapers get onto your heels if you scan too often, but that's that.
Realistically spoken, by the time I finished ME3, there shouldn't have BEEN an earth left to save (or the Galaxy, really).


But Mass Effect doesn't really give you a feel for how much time passed during the campaign, anyway. Between the games, yes. But during one? Not so much. Sometimes crewmembers talk like "oh yea, two weeks back when we were on Horizon", but to me it almost feels like you're doing whatever you're doing within three days or so lol.

Other than that, what Canadian Ninja said.

[Cerebro]

Originally posted by Crimson Nightmare:

Originally posted by benwaggoner:

ME1: The Race Against Time
ME2: The Battle Against a Race Against Time

Really, all three games actually disincentivize against acting with the urgency the narrative demands.

I actually thought it was getting particular "hilarious" in Me3, where the war is ongoing and you.... can just fly around through galaxies and search for stupid statues or whatnot (or party on the Citadel). Granted, the Reapers get onto your heels if you scan too often, but that's that.
Realistically spoken, by the time I finished ME3, there shouldn't have BEEN an earth left to save (or the Galaxy, really).


But Mass Effect doesn't really give you a feel for how much time passed during the campaign, anyway. Between the games, yes. But during one? Not so much. Sometimes crewmembers talk like "oh yea, two weeks back when we were on Horizon", but to me it almost feels like you're doing whatever you're doing within three days or so lol.

Other than that, what Canadian Ninja said.

It's a problem with many RPGs. Exploration vs urgency. I think ME2 does it ok, because you are prepping to do a thing while your enemies do their thing with who knows how many unnamed colonies anyway. It's much more awkward in ME1 and especially 3.

That being said - I wouldn't want to play these games with a "Game Over" countdown. ^^

[Weaver]

It's deeply unfortunate the way they set things up as it means you get virtually no time with Legion if you want everyone to live.

[Burnhardt]

The time limit varies depending on how many Recruitment/Loyalty missions you have left. Typically it's around two.

Originally posted by Crimson Nightmare:

I actually thought it was getting particular "hilarious" in Me3, where the war is ongoing and you.... can just fly around through galaxies and search for stupid statues or whatnot (or party on the Citadel). Granted, the Reapers get onto your heels if you scan too often, but that's that.

A lot of of the side missions like Grissom Academy, and the Tuchanka ones involving the Turians, automatically expire if left to long.