Is Vanguard still crap for an Insanity run in ME2?

[Juub]

Vanguard was my go-to class in ME1, but was complete trash in ME2 on higher difficulties. Chiefly because it encourages getting up close to enemies but because of how shields and barriers behave in ME2, you get murked on Veteran (maybe Hardcore, don't remember) or higher.

Skills like Biotic Charge are basically suicidal, and your powers barely stagger enemies who have barriers/shields.

Any feedback on whether or not this changed in the Legendary Edition? If it's still the same, I'll just go with Soldier.

Thank you in advance.

[Ezeklis]

Vanguard was never weak on insanity. It was boring in ME1. Extremely strong and fast in ME2, but risky.
And in ME3 he is basically unkillable if you novacancel, which you don't even need to do since you mow down enemies so fast (especially if you have Liara as a warp bot) and by the time you use your two novas the charge is back up anyway.

[Juub]

Origineel geplaatst door Evarett Ramheart:

never was crap. only the users were crap.

Nah, it's definitely weak.

I stopped my playthrough halfway in and switched to Soldier and just breezed through the game. With Vanguard you got nothing like Adrenaline Rush + Sniper combo that just takes down everything in seconds with a couple of headshots. If you got the Widowmaker or that semi-automatic sniper, things just die before they can even reach you.

With Vanguard you HAVE to get up close which is just asking for trouble when you're up against enemies like Praetorians or, when that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Collector general insists on going CQC.

Origineel geplaatst door Ezeklis:

Vanguard was never weak on insanity. It was boring in ME1. Extremely strong and fast in ME2, but risky.
And in ME3 he is basically unkillable if you novacancel, which you don't even need to do since you mow down enemies so fast (especially if you have Liara as a warp bot) and by the time you use your two novas the charge is back up anyway.

I do insist on Hardcore or above. Hell, perhaps I only even mean Insanity but don't remember how tough Hardcore was but I assume it must not be that different.

[Ezeklis]

Origineel geplaatst door Juub:

Origineel geplaatst door Ezeklis:

Vanguard was never weak on insanity. It was boring in ME1. Extremely strong and fast in ME2, but risky.
And in ME3 he is basically unkillable if you novacancel, which you don't even need to do since you mow down enemies so fast (especially if you have Liara as a warp bot) and by the time you use your two novas the charge is back up anyway.

I do insist on Hardcore or above. Hell, perhaps I only even mean Insanity but don't remember how tough Hardcore was but I assume it must not be that different.

Yeah, and I specifically mentioned Insanity. He is by no means weak if you know what you're doing, ESPECIALLY in ME3.

[Kenpachi219]

In ME2 Legendary Edition what is the best class now for Insanity Im about to beat ME1 on instanity here soon.

[5ean5ean]

ME2 Try...Vanguard + Reave + Incindiary Ammo. Ignore charge completely.

If you can't make it work with this set up then the problem is you.

[5ean5ean]

Origineel geplaatst door Kenpachi219:

In ME2 Legendary Edition what is the best class now for Insanity Im about to beat ME1 on instanity here soon.

For both ME2 and ME3

Soldier is the easiest class with incendiary ammo cheese and spamming Adrenaline Rush.

Sentinel is the most wellrounded classs that can handle every single situation in the game while being super tanks.

[wilky]

Origineel geplaatst door Kenpachi219:

In ME2 Legendary Edition what is the best class now for Insanity Im about to beat ME1 on instanity here soon.

I don't think it matters a lot (just play whatever you think is fun), but I would probably say Adept is the worst in ME2.

Sentinel might be the "safest" since Shepard has good defense + Overload/Warp, especially if you take Warp/AP Ammo as a bonus talent to increase your firearm firepower. But you still have to know what you are doing and play pretty efficiently / ruthlessly in combat.

[AlexMBrennan]

Well of course biotics are useless if every damn husk has armour that magically renders them immune to biotics.

If you want to play Mass Effect instead of Combo Explosion Extravaganza you need to stick to ME1.

[5ean5ean]

Origineel geplaatst door AlexMBrennan:

Well of course biotics are useless if every damn husk has armour that magically renders them immune to biotics.

If you want to play Mass Effect instead of Combo Explosion Extravaganza you need to stick to ME1.

That's definitely not true. Abilities like Warp, Reave, and Warp Ammo destroy armor. Biotics main weakness are shields.

Sentinel can handle it with overload......

Vanguards should use either Reave or Energy Drain.

Adepts should refer to Vanguards use another squdmate for ammo powers like Zaeed or Garrus.

[Jan]

Vanguard is fun and good on insanity of you play it right. You have to observe the battlefield and charge+shotgun. Of course it is more risky but most of the time you can charge 5 enemies in a row which feels really good. With the cooldown reductions you can charge so often that even fights in open field are possible against 3-4 enemies. I really love the mobility. There are situations where charging directly kills you but when you identify those everything is fine.

Really cool is the Geth shotgun, you can precharge the gun, use charge and directly hit with a charged shotgun.

[Jigramunt]

Finished Mass effect 2 as a vanguard on insanity a few hours ago.

I'll say this:Vanguard is absolute garbage if you want to use Biotic charge.Skill's basically bugging out 60-80% of the time spelling instant death since you kinda need it on insanity to stay alive by refilling shield.

Playing as a vanguard was the most miserable experience i've had in a game for a long time.I must've died overall about 50 times and 48 were because biotic charge bugged out 10 different ways.

On the other hand,if Biotic charge works the class is absolutely broken for anything other than scion and collector bosses because you are literally unkillable,charging around the battlfield one-shotting enemies with a shotgun.So yeah...i guess Vanguard's core principle of risk vs reward is true enough

[5ean5ean]

Origineel geplaatst door Jigramunt:

Finished Mass effect 2 as a vanguard on insanity a few hours ago.

I'll say this:Vanguard is absolute garbage if you want to use Biotic charge.Skill's basically bugging out 60-80% of the time spelling instant death since you kinda need it on insanity to stay alive by refilling shield.

Playing as a vanguard was the most miserable experience i've had in a game for a long time.I must've died overall about 50 times and 48 were because biotic charge bugged out 10 different ways.

On the other hand,if Biotic charge works the class is absolutely broken for anything other than scion and collector bosses because you are literally unkillable,charging around the battlfield one-shotting enemies with a shotgun.So yeah...i guess Vanguard's core principle of risk vs reward is true enough :beatmeat:

This....Biotic charge in ME2 isn't good. I respec as fast as possible......get Reave and don't single point into into Charge.

Charge is ME3 is great...just requires alot of micromanagement.

[Waynedetta]

I just finished a Vanguard run on ME I, maybe the class is ♥♥♥♥ idk since I didnt try the others but the game itself was easy enough.

Went into ME II as Infiltrator though, since I read the charge was buggy and thats just not for me.

[Jigramunt]

Origineel geplaatst door Wayndetta:

I just finished a Vanguard run on ME I, maybe the class is ♥♥♥♥ idk since I didnt try the others but the game itself was easy enough.

Went into ME II as Infiltrator though, since I read the charge was buggy and thats just not for me.

You want my opinion?You just saved your sanity by not going Vanguard.God knows i lost mine trying to beat it on insanity difficulty and i feel like ♥♥♥♥ after doing that...

[extrasiika]

I played through ME1-3 insanity Vanguard and it was kinda hard in ME1 and 2. But I got Barrier as a bonus skill in ME2 and it helped a bit. And in ME1 just wait until you get better armors and guns and the game becomes somewhat easy. In ME3 Vanguard is just broken. I was invulnerable 96% of the time.
Sure, ME2 was the toughest by far.